Scott Hanselman

Hanselminutes Podcast 77 - Moving your Email into the Cloud - Google for Apps and Live Custom Domains

August 22, '07 Comments [7] Posted in Podcast
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My seventy-seventh podcast is up. In this show, Carl and I about my family's recent move to Google Apps and Carl considers moving to Live Custom Domains. What are the pros and cons of moving your life into the cloud?

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Links from the Show

Migrating a Family to Google Apps from Gmail, Thunderbird, Outlook and others: The Definitive Guide (ruq)
Windows Live Custom Domains Blog (rut)
Google Apps APIs (ruv)
Google Apps (rur)
Windows Live Custom Domains SDK v2 (ruu)
Hanselminutes Forums (ruw)
Windows Live Custom Domains (rus)

Do also remember the complete archives are always up and they have PDF Transcripts, a little known feature that show up a few weeks after each show.

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As I've said before this show comes to you with the audio expertise and stewardship of Carl Franklin. The name comes from Travis Illig, but the goal of the show is simple. Avoid wasting the listener's time. (and make the commute less boring)

Enjoy. Who knows what'll happen in the next show?

About Scott

Scott Hanselman is a former professor, former Chief Architect in finance, now speaker, consultant, father, diabetic, and Microsoft employee. He is a failed stand-up comic, a cornrower, and a book author.

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Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:49:24 PM UTC
I heard on the podcast Carl say he is going to switch to Windows Live Domains for his email. I was on the beta and used it up until about a month ago when with no warning I started to get ads embedded in my emails sent through my email account hosted with Windows Live Domains. They were pretty innocuous, just links to new MSN properties such as the "MSN Supermoms" site, but quite annoying nonetheless. I don't mind ads in the web client, but keep them out of my emails. Carl might want to be forewarned before making the move to Windows Live Domains. Also there was no support for access from my windows smartphone. So I dropped it and have been living with my hosting providers SmarterMail web client and spam filtering, which frankly suck in comparison to either the Windows Live Mail or gmail experience. Thanks for the tips on Google Apps, it sounds like it might be a viable alternative.
Pat James
Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:27:22 AM UTC
this was a good fun show. you really attacked Carl there and i thought for a minute he was gonna punch you in the face -- but you ended up having him fully convinced.
Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:22:01 PM UTC
Wow Scott, I listened to this show and couldn't believe how much money you were spending just for spam and virus stuff. I've owned my own domains since the mid 90's and have been running IMAP (not POP) for years. My email is centralized in one location on a server that gets backed up every night and has been spam and virus free for years. I can check my email from Thunderbird, Outlook, Mobile phone, Web, etc all in one place. And I can search email. And to Carl's original point, I own my own data. Not to cast doom and gloom but I've been running this same setup for over 10 years I know. And it only costs a few dollars each month. For anyone that owns their own domain, their domain hosting company should handle every bit of this for them and they shouldn't have to resort to buying spam filters for $150 every 3 months or pay google anything. Any $5-$10 hosting account typically provides these features pretty adequately.
Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:06:11 PM UTC
Hi there,
Honestly I don't like to hand over all my email to google or microsoft. not that I have anything secret, but I'm just wondering what would the next step be for those companies? to collect data on our dreams?
I prefer to have my email history inside my own network, not even on my hosting company. true, they can read anything I send or receive, but still I'll feel better having them with me.

Cheers,
Ali
Ali Shafai
Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:23:18 PM UTC
Scott - Great podcast this one.

I didn't realise that Google apps for your domain was so well integrated! I listened to the podcast on the train home Friday evening, set up GAFYD (err, yes) that same evening and it works great. Thanks for bringing this one to me.

Mark
Monday, August 27, 2007 6:31:18 PM UTC
I use IE7's feeds to auto-download the show and then WMP's auto-playlist to sync to my Windows Mobile phone, but I didn't always get the show to the phone. Well, I finally figured it out. Looks like sometimes your setting the Album Artist to Scott Hansleman instead of the Pwop Productions. That's causing my auto-playlist in WMP to skip those episodes.

Also the Title property doesn't have the Hanselminutes #XX prefix. It sure simplifies the process of keeping current shows available if title sorts correctly.

Rick...

btw...your blog is a daily read and your podcast is a weekly listen. Thanks.
Rick Wilkerson
Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:20:36 AM UTC
Hi Scott / Carl,

Carl mentioned that he felt there was no way to transfer email messages from an old server / account into the newly set-up Live Mail account (fronted by his own custom domain).

I would beg to differ. By using the new(ish) Outlook Connector you would be able to view both accounts in the same environment and simply drag emails between accounts / folders in Outlook.

This is akin to what I've been doing for years; copying emails from my Yahoo account (downloaded to Outlook via POP3) to my Hotmail account (connected via the (presumably) proprietary HTTP synchronisation method which allowed me to manage sub-folders). This has now been superceded by the Outlook Connector which does effectively the same thing with some new protocol which I've yet to investigate.

While Carl actually mentioned this in a follow-up comment in the 'Tools' show I thought this thread would be a better place to post this info.
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