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Hanselminutes Podcast 32 - Mock Objects

September 14, '06 Comments [8] Posted in Podcast | Tools
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My thirty-second Podcast is up. This episode is about Mock Objects - what they are, and should you care?

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Comments [8]
Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:41:26 AM UTC
Thirty SECOND show? Wow! I can't imagine how you're going to cover a subject like Mock Objects in 30 seconds. I'm impressed! ;-)
Ian Smith
Thursday, September 14, 2006 6:50:33 AM UTC
Ian - :P

"Mock Objects are neat. Use them. Use them again and again."

Boom, that was like 14 seconds.
Scott Hanselman
Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:09:00 AM UTC
Scott,

I've been using Rhino for several months now, and feel quite comfortable with the toolset.

You mention during this podcast that it's sometimes difficult to get around the "virtual method" requirement in order to mock an object. The solution that I've implemented is to add conditional compilation statements around the declaration of methods that I intend to mock that I want to be sealed or final in the production release of my code.

Jeff Fritz
Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:27:58 AM UTC
I've been using Rhino Mocks lately as well and I'm fairly happy with it. The virtual method requirement hasn't caused me too much grief, because mostly I need it when I'm mocking interface implementations (of which I'm using a lot lately, coupled with Windsor Container as the IoC implementation). Seems to work just fine for me, and the way expectations are expressed in Rhino suits me.
Tomas Restrepo
Thursday, September 14, 2006 2:15:23 PM UTC
I like to mock objects. It makes me feel superior.
Jason Scheuerman
Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:20:44 PM UTC
Scott:

(Sorry for the email spam, I now see this comment section, so posting here)

Enjoyed the show. As always, picked up some previously unknown technologies – I knew about NUnit and NMock (and DotNetMock, which you didn’t mention), but not about Rhino nor TypeMock. Can’t wait to try TypeMock, could be really helpful for me.

A couple of points I thought could have been added for clarity
1. Mock objects are not for mocking your test subject, but its dependencies.
2. A useful way of comparing normal unit testing with the use of mock objects is that normally you run tests, then dissect your objects and make sure things went right (the atom smasher approach). Mock objects allow you to test the actual interactions of objects. This is another benefit of mocks that I didn’t think really made come through in the discussion.

ServiceStub [Fowler, P of EAA] is a pattern that can be used as an alternative to mock objects – probably not suitable for the podcast, but I do hear it used instead of mock objects. But it places more requirements on your code.
Dave P.
Thursday, September 14, 2006 4:08:04 PM UTC
Dave,

I see ServiceStub as being a pattern more useful in functional/performance testing than on unit tests, but it does have a purpose and the basic idea is certainly the same (or at least pretty close) to the mocking idea, anyway.
Tomas Restrepo
Friday, September 15, 2006 12:02:25 AM UTC
Tomas:

Personally, I agree with you, but it's a philosophical thing. Some people are definitely out there using ServiceStub for unit testing (including Fowler, who said in an interview I read something to the effect of "we use service stubs instead of mock objects. Nothing wrong with mock objects, but we do our testing differently.")

I think the point is that ServiceStub is used to replace an expensive and hard-to-work-with service (e.g. external, database, etc.) to enable testing of dependent classes. Mock objects give you that, but a whole lot more to boot (like interaction validation)

It's worth reading Fowler's article "Mocks Aren't Stubs"

Interesting to note that he suggests using mock objects to implement stubs.
Dave
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