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How to create a DVD on Windows 8 even though Windows DVD Maker is gone - DVDStyler

September 30, '12 Comments [50] Posted in Tools | Win8
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DVDStyler standard NTSC options of 720x480I make a lot of DVDs. I make them for weddings for family and for funerals and memorials. I make trip DVDs and memory DVDs and all sorts of stuff.

Why don't you put all that stuff online, Scott? Why don't you put it on Facebook/YouTube/Vimeo/Whatever? There's a couple reasons. First, believe it or not, there's a lot of people in the world who don't have high-speed internet. We've got lots of relatives overseas who don't have a laptop at home nor do they have any internet in their home. Here in the US we've got lots of older relatives who don't have computers, or perhaps they only have an iPad and a link to a YouTube video doesn't have the sense of meaning or permanence that a DVD does.

Random Aside: It's a shame that today's young people won't realize how much effort it took to create a mix tape for someone. Rearranging MP3s and emailing a list isn't the same as waiting for specific songs to get played on the radio and pressing Record within the first two notes.

Perhaps making DVDs is a lost art and I'm an old fogey. Or perhaps DVDs are today's mix tapes.

Regardless, I recently installed Windows 8 on my home machines and my laptop. Around the same time my Uncle Ronald - the closet person I've ever had to a grandfather - passed away. I immediately got to work creating a DVD for his memorial service. I had 30 minutes of audio of Uncle Ronnie that I recorded for a never-aired podcast. I had hundreds of photos over 90+ years of his life, 8mm and Super8 film reels as far back as the 50s, combined with digital video going all the way back to 1998 from my own collection. I was looking forward to burning many DVD copies and mailing it to interested relatives as well as playing the DVD at the memorial.

I spent many hours putting together a tribute video. I used Movie Maker as I have for many of my projects. I also have Adobe Premiere but for putting together family videos there's little easier than Movie Maker. I did my editing and went to Save Movie to export my movie as a WAV to import into Windows DVD Maker. But there was no DVD option. Confused, I searched the start menu for Windows DVD Maker. I'd used it just a week before...before I upgraded my Windows 7 to Windows 8.

Windows DVD Maker was gone. It's not in Windows 8. :(

I was pretty bummed as I needed to make DVDs for the memorial event and I kind of needed them immediately. There's lots of different third party DVD creation software packages but I've always personally felt that media players and media creation software from 3rd parties (Roxio, CyberLink, etc) have always been rather garish in their user interface style. They never LOOK like they belong in Windows. There's always bright red window chrome, the same airbrushed happy clipart families in splash screens.

I just want to import a video file into a simple app and create a DVD. Preferably for free.

Save as DVD from within Windows Movie MakerI evaluated a number of DVD creation suites over a number of hours and decided on the open source DVDStyler. I like DVDStyler because it's extremely spartan in its user interface but extremely capable. One could believe it was included with Windows and it is an excellent complement to Windows Live Movie Maker. For me, installing DVDStyler makes up for DVD Maker being gone on Windows 8.

IMPORTANT NOTE/WARNING: While it is an open source GPL'ed project, in order to support itself DVDStyler does install some toolbar software and will change your browser home page and install additional software if you just "next, next, next, finish" through their installation process. When installing free software please ALWAYS be aware of what you're saying YES to. Be sure to use the Custom installation option and select (or deselect) the options that are right for you. While I found these changes surprising and an annoyance, I feel the value provided by this free software to be worth the annoyance of these other applets. I removed them later via Uninstall Programs as well as by manually removing extensions in Firefox and IE.

When you save your movie from Windows Live Movie maker, you might want to make a Custom Production Setting. I created one and called it DVD and set it to 720x480. You might change this if you are creating PAL (720x576) or NTSC DVDs. It's up to you. The point is that Windows Live Movie Maker has no standard DVD movie creation option anymore but you can create any custom setting you'd like.

Creating a Custom DVD Setting in Windows Live Movie Maker

In DVDStyler I use similar settings. Be sure to select 16x9 if most of your source material is widescreen and most of your destination TVs are also widescreen. I usually use DVD-5 (4.7 gigabytes) but occasionally I'll use a dual-layer DVD-9 (8.5 gigabytes) and a high bitrate if there is a lot of action on the screen.

You can burn the DVD directly or, if you want more control, create an ISO file and use another tool like ImgBurn to burn or create multiple copies.

Burn image from DVDStyler

I'm glad to have found a reasonable, simple and free option for creating DVDs on Window 8 in DVDStyler.


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Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:39:24 PM UTC
NIce.
but !! I don't really remember the last time I really used a DVD though the DVDStyler would help if i happen to create one some day.
Sid
Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:58:32 PM UTC
Yet another item to put in the "reasons not to upgrade to Windows 8" column.

What could POSSIBLY have been the logic behind removing a useful, generally well-designed, functional application from the OS? I know I've had at least two or three dozen customers who relied on it to create DVDs to send to family or friends.

Now, if they get a machine with Win8, they're either going to be screwed out of $30+ for a decent DVD burning package, or tricked into installing the four billionth IE toolbar spyware package.
K
Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:13:32 PM UTC
Awesome, almost bought a piece of software to do this, will try out DVD Styler first.
Betty
Sunday, September 30, 2012 10:42:09 PM UTC
These ugly Window frames annoy me to no end. Failure in internal design processes.
tobi
Monday, October 01, 2012 12:16:35 AM UTC
Any chance of getting an "official" (or unofficial, for that matter) comment on why Windows DVD Maker is gone in Windows 8?
Monday, October 01, 2012 12:24:32 AM UTC
Have you tried DVD Flick, Scott? (http://www.dvdflick.net/)

It's another GPL licensed DVD maker which I've had good results from in the past.
Monday, October 01, 2012 1:03:12 AM UTC
How to get database script (.sql file) using Visual Studio 2012 Ultimate. I can't see option like 'Publish to Provider' that we saw in Visual Studio 2010. I think 'Database publishing wizard' is no longer supported in VS2012, so what is alternative? Is there something up with NuGet like "Update-Database -Script -SourceMigration: $InitialDatabase -TargetMigration: AddPostAbstract"?
Abhimanyu K Vatsa
Monday, October 01, 2012 4:16:00 AM UTC
@K

What could POSSIBLY have been the logic behind removing a useful, generally well-designed, functional application from the OS? I know I've had at least two or three dozen customers who relied on it to create DVDs to send to family or friends.


Windows 8 upgrade is now $40 or so - they obviously had to cut the MPEG2 encoder licensing cost (around $2 per unit). You got what you wanted - a much cheaper Windows 8. Some things had to be cut and DVD encoding software is not free (when done legally).
Monday, October 01, 2012 7:07:24 AM UTC
> Windows DVD Maker was gone. It's not in Windows 8. :(

Wow, there's something MS-related I knew before Scott knew it! :-)

> You got what you wanted - a much cheaper Windows 8.

Actually, $2 ist not much cheeper for the average Win customer. It sure makes a difference for Microsoft ($2 for how many sold Win8 copies?). So it's not "you got what you wanted" but MS gets what they want.

Also, I suspect they're trying to get people to use their cloud/Azure thing.
Radisav
Monday, October 01, 2012 1:32:35 PM UTC
Why not just install Win7 in a VM and run DVD Maker from there?
Daniel Lesage
Monday, October 01, 2012 2:24:06 PM UTC
I had not thought about it yet.
Monday, October 01, 2012 2:25:28 PM UTC
And how to play back a DVD on Win8?
This doesn't work either.
Robert
Monday, October 01, 2012 3:05:15 PM UTC
Robert - Use VLC Player.

Daniel - That feels like a hassle to me and requires a Windows 7 license.
Monday, October 01, 2012 6:09:10 PM UTC
"When installing free software please ALWAYS be aware of what you're saying YES to."

You have to be careful, Adobe Flash updates and Java updates will do that to you too.
Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:57:27 AM UTC
Scott: A hassle? Probably. But is the license really an issue? Don't you have an MSDN subscription?
Daniel Lesage
Wednesday, October 03, 2012 1:50:25 AM UTC
Is it true that Windows 8 doesn't have DVD playback either?
Wednesday, October 03, 2012 4:05:11 AM UTC
Hey Scott, I recall that the DVD related functionality was only going to be available with the Media Center addon to Windows 8 Pro. Do you have the Media Center addon? Just curious if the DVD maker was included with that.
Bart
Saturday, November 03, 2012 9:32:39 AM UTC
If DVDStyler fails with " Application provided invalid, non monotonically increasing dts to muxer in stream " then follow the advices of ryahoo in the sourceforge forum.

Media Center addon
is available for free for a limited time from Microsoft but I have not found any DVD burning option in it.
Peter Adam
Wednesday, November 07, 2012 12:59:33 PM UTC
I don't understand what you could possibly have against Windows 8. It doesn't include the DVD Maker, because either it was rendered unnecessary or due to playback issues. (Like with Media Center).

I'm pretty happy with Windows 8. At first, it was hard to get by without the start menu, but you grow accustomed to it.
D
Monday, November 19, 2012 5:11:46 PM UTC
@Bart: No DVD-Maker isn't back, after you upgraded Win 8 with WMC. And also DVD maker won't run (due to a missing MPEG-2 encoder) if you still have a Win 7 machine within your network and tries to invoke DVD maker over network.
Monday, December 10, 2012 9:38:09 PM UTC
Here's another fine mess... Even if you still have Windows 7... if you update to Windows Movie Maker 2012 it starts saving your movies by default as MP4 instead of WMV... so you can't use Windows DVD Maker anymore since it doesn't recognize your Movie Maker files. LAME. This is probably why they are getting rid of DVD Maker since they are abandoning WMV and didn't want to fix it. You can force the new Movie Maker to save in the old WMV format, but you have to doink around in the settings.
Josh
Sunday, December 16, 2012 9:34:18 PM UTC
I'm in the same boat as you. 64 kindergarten children. Hundreds of photos and short clips, one day to assemble, cut, prune and preen into a 3.30 clip for each class,using Movie maker instead of my Premiere for simplicity this day, brand new Windows 8,no intention of using their apps as I'm app..le all the way and kaBOOM!

Dumb.

Google and get you.
Not so dumb.

Cheers
From Far north west Western Australia.
Saturday, December 22, 2012 6:56:04 PM UTC
You promote this kind of rubbish software? You getting a kick-back from trying to install "crap-ware"? I just used it to create a DVD and it wouldn't play, even on a PS3.
Don't touch this software with a barge-pole!
Dave
Monday, December 24, 2012 3:02:48 AM UTC
Dave - Sorry if you are having trouble. I've used this to make a dozen family CDs. I am not getting paid or any kickbacks. I am not associated with them in any way.
Monday, December 24, 2012 4:16:07 AM UTC
Scott,

Thanks for the article. I had kind of gotten the first part down with creating a custom export from Windows Live Movie Maker to put keep the resolution the same. The two things I wasn't sure about were the bitrate for the video and audio. I thought it best to leave them at the maximum so I put them to 28,850kbps video and 192 for the audio because 28,850 is the bitrate of the DV-AVI files I stripped from my camera and 192 was the highest audio it allowed. Do you know if it makes a difference?

Next I'm going to either transfer the MP4 I saved from WLMM back onto a computer with Windows 7 to or download the software you recommended or install and old package I have called DVD Movie Factory to burn it to DVD.

Thanks,
David
David Johns
Tuesday, December 25, 2012 10:16:09 PM UTC
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-live/movie-maker-get-started. Try this folks
john
Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:07:23 AM UTC
I always to do the highest allowable also and then let the DVD software squish it.
Saturday, January 05, 2013 5:25:21 AM UTC
I am completely and utterly dismayed that DVD maker is gone from my brand spankin' new laptop that came with 8. I can't figure anything out. At least now I can quit trying to find BURN DVD somewhere. I have a presentation finished....hot off the press tonight, and now what. They won't believe that I "couldn't burn a dvd". Great. Thanks for the heads up.
Rachel
Saturday, January 05, 2013 4:55:34 PM UTC
Scott, I loaded the dvdstyle software but when I try to burn a DVD with a video from Movie Maker it gives me an error stating "no VOBUs found". I have been able to burn a video directly imported from the video camera but not a video that has been modified with Movie Maker. I am new at this so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Jeff Yoder
Monday, January 28, 2013 8:44:20 PM UTC
i dunno if http://www.devede.org/ is also an alternative
mike
Thursday, January 31, 2013 1:33:25 PM UTC
Thanks for the advice! Downloaded DVDstyle and it's great for what i need it for. Why would they get rid of Windows DVD Maker? I don't understand???? -_-
Bizzo
Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:15:04 PM UTC
Sad to lose DVD Maker. I use Freemake Video Converter
http://www.freemake.com

You can't customize the DVD's but its free and has a lot of helpful tools.

If you want editing options go with Sony DVD Architect, it has free trial.
John
Saturday, February 09, 2013 5:53:58 AM UTC
Thank you so much. I have spent weeks finding a good dvd maker that burns. Thanks again!
Tricia
Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:24:40 PM UTC
DVDStyler for some reason didn't make DVDs compatible with my dvd player in my living room...not sure why, ended up using dvd flick (dated a litte) but it at least worked.
Jeremy
Monday, February 11, 2013 11:44:24 PM UTC
When I attempt to burn a DVD it won't allow me to access the real DVD drive only a virtual drive to burn the movie? Any suggestions?

MS
Marsa
Sunday, February 17, 2013 8:36:23 PM UTC
I have tried DVDStyler and it doesn't even want to start to burn. Just fails?
Also tried to install DVD Flick and that wont install?

anyone want to offer some advice?

thanks
Darz
Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:01:22 AM UTC
Others have said dvd making may have been rendered unnecessary or maybe a cost cutting measure. If either is true they should have given up-front notice to those upgrading. In my case my laptop was ruined thanks to my shaky hands and a hot cup of coffee. I had to buy a new system. After finding the right laptop for my needs I was "stuck" with windows 8. Stuck because they made it impossible to downgrade on new computers. I actually enjoy 8 after having spent hours figuring out how to navigate it. I know they can't notify you of every detail and I know they expect us to be informed before making these decisions. I feel misled because I was informed that aside from the new layout and a few added features this was going to, at the base, be the same as windows 7. I'm kicking myself for not reading deeper. these are programs that we have become accustomed to as windows users and something I feel as an important staple in many people lives. I just spent $700 on a new laptop only to find out that in order to use the features I paid for I have to spend even more for the programs..... seems like a money suck to me. It's a shame how intangible our world is becoming.
faith
Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:30:11 PM UTC
Like Marsa and Darv, I can't burn from this software. It just asks me where to store the virtual copy. Not useful.
Dawn
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 7:00:52 PM UTC
I too find windows 8 on my new laptop frustrating for these same reasons.. can't view old video files and copy dvd's. There are people that still use camcorders and copy to our laptops and burn family copies of DVD's. I too find it very frustrating that I am having do deal with this in windows 8.
debbie mclaughlin
Monday, April 08, 2013 3:50:29 PM UTC
Beaware, that DVDStyler comes with a TON of bloatware, possibly malware, just spent the last half hour uninstalling everything and switching my default search back from DeltaSearch!
John
Tuesday, April 09, 2013 4:00:43 AM UTC
I keep trying to create a DVD and installed this software and it keeps freezing at 22 out of 130 min... any suggestions?
Stephanie
Monday, April 15, 2013 1:34:15 AM UTC
Me too, I just created a 12 minute movie with a whack of scanned old photos that I ran through PS... and what! no BUTTON! ...no create a DVD!
A just got a new PC after XMas with windows 8, I was very keen about this new system, I muttered through I haven't mastered too much, but I liked what I did figure out.
Two days later, I finally gave in and transferred all the files to my old faithful Dell Lap top with Windows 7, I checked... and that BUTTON is there! I burned my movie.
Well I guess, I either will continue with that process, or I'll try some of the suggestions mentioned here in this sight.
Kathleen Elliott
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:55:16 AM UTC
Hi Scott
I've tried your suggestions.I've got Styler and Movie Maker on Windows 8. Please can you tell me how do I get the edited material from Movie Maker into Styler for burning?
Thanks
Alan
Thursday, May 09, 2013 4:11:05 PM UTC
What do I need to do when I save the project in Movie Maker so that it is in the DVD format that DVD Styler will recognize?
Tami
Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:13:39 PM UTC
I would love to know your answer to Alan and Tami as I am involved in the same problem. Made a movie on movie maker for my students and need to have 30 discs burned by Wednesday...a little help please.
Juliette
Sunday, May 12, 2013 8:55:44 PM UTC
Alan, Tami and Juliette - You create a movie file (like a WMV) from DVD Maker, then within DVD Styler you select that WMV as your source movie. You can then burn directly from DVD Styler.
Saturday, May 18, 2013 5:03:09 AM UTC
Well, Ive spent many hours creating dvd using DVDStyler, and I cant play them all in any DVD players.. Cant even select the option "play, chapters, etc" in the menu, any solution?
Sunday, June 09, 2013 3:53:00 PM UTC
Thanks for the info, I have the same problem burning and with everyone's comment I will try the options. Hope it works!
Bron Jan
Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:21:39 PM UTC
Tried DVDstyler, unticked the toolbar options, double checked I had unticked them. Guess what? It still installed them anyway. So then I spent ages removing toolbars, default homepages and default searches from my various browsers, and uninstalling 4 programs. One installer failed to work so spent ages mucking about clearing the crapwear out. After all that I used DVDStyler and it gave me a DVD with a menu page but nothing behind it would play on my PC or DVD player. Utter waste of time for me :( Ended up finding a Windows 7 PC to borrow.
Henry
Sunday, June 16, 2013 11:35:59 PM UTC
You can actually burn a DVD/CD right off the Windows Media Player. Just switch to lib view. I know, the 'player' in it's name turn most of people to look elsewhere.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/burn-cd-or-dvd-media-player
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