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Windows 8 productivity: Who moved my cheese? Oh, there it is.

August 25, '12 Comments [169] Posted in Win8
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Keep Calm and Use Your Keyboard - @robertmclawsDisclaimer: I don't work for the Windows Team. I installed Windows 8 on my home desktop (this giant multi-monitor epic beast) with my personal MSDN account and wrote this on my own time. This blog is mine and the opinions inside are also mine. I also installed it on my MacBook Pro.

I finally pulled the trigger and upgraded a few machines to Windows 8. I have three main machines, my formerly "Ultimate Developer PC 2.0" whose video card gets slower by the year, my almost-retina-but-just-two-months-late Mac Book Pro, and my Lenovo W520.

I am a web guy SO much more than a desktop guy so if you look in my Taskbar on any of my machines you'll see mostly web browsers, text editors and shells. I live off my taskbar and I'm ALL about HotKeys. If I can avoid touching my mouse at all I will. I spoke to Brad Wilson on this week's podcast about his experience with Windows 8 as well.

Who moved my cheese?

People don't like it when you move their cheese. They are just trying to get through the maze, they have it all under control and then, poof, someone moved their cheese. Now it's a huge hassle to find it again. Change a hotkey or the case of the menus and all heck breaks loose.

The installation process was straightforward and everything still worked when it was done, so that was a relief. I upgraded from Windows 7 Ultimate to Windows 8 Pro. There's fewer SKUs in Windows 8 now, basically just Windows 8, Windows 8 Pro (for super users) and Windows RT (for Tablets).

However, once it's installed, it's initially confusing but I have been using it every day all day since it was released and have got myself productive again. Here's what I ran into and how I realized that there's less reason to freak out than I originally thought.

The Windows 8 Login/Lock Screen

There's a bunch of folks who have said that you have to "swipe up" or "slide away" from the Login or Lock screen to log in. Some websites have even suggested you disable the lock screen. That is stupid and wrong *cough* NBCNews *cough* and you shouldn't turn off the lock screen. Just press any key. Or just start typing. Or click the mouse. Or ANYTHING. You don't have to "swipe up" to log in just click or press anything.

Shut down or Sleep a Windows 8 Machine

Shutdown your Windows 8 MachineIt's initially confusing as to how you shut down your machine. For laptops - at least my Lenovo and MacBook - you really never need to shut it down. I just close the lid.

If I really want to force a shut down, log out, or force sleep I just press Ctrl-Alt-Delete and press the Power button in the lower right corner. To lock the machine, just Windows Key+L.

You can also hit Win+I and press power. There's actually several ways to shut it down. You can even ALT-F4 from the Desktop if you like.

ALT-F4 from the Desktop shuts down Windows

Here's another crazy idea for shutting down your PC or Laptop - Press the Power Button.

Run Power User or Administrative Tools - WinKey+X is EVERYTHING

For the first week the most frustrating thing about Windows 8 was getting to anything that was power-user-like. I was literally pissed at my computer because I was so used to clicking the Start Menu, then right clicking on My Computer in order to do things like Device Manager, etc. For things like the Event Viewer or Admin Command Prompts I was pressing Start, then typing "Event" and hitting enter. It was fine but it wasn't as fast as it should be.

Then I discovered the Number 1 most powerful Windows 8 shortcut for the Power User. It's Windows Key+X.

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This hotkey used to be the "Mobility Center" and was really only ever used when I wanted to put my machine into Presentation Mode. Now it's a Power User's dream.

Note that everything is pre-underlined. Want an Admin Command prompt? Win+X, A. Event Viewer? Win+X, V. You get the idea.

You can also get to the Win+X menu by moving the mouse to the lower left-corner and right-clicking!

Windows Key Hotkeys are your life

All the usual stuff works and you should know this already. If you don't, picking up a few of these will save you seconds many times a day and that adds up. Force yourself not to use the mouse.

  • Win+E - Explorer
  • Win+R - Run
  • Win+Break - System Info
  • Win+D - Desktop (I use this constantly if I get trapped outside the Desktop world)
  • Win+Plus or Win+Minus (no shift) - Magnifier/Zoom In and Out
  • Win+F - Find Files
  • Win+Print Screen – Put a PNG in the Pictures folder
  • Alt-Tab - Switch between Apps
  • Win-Tab - Switch between Full Screen Apps

Explorer Win-Keys for pinned apps

I'm consistently shocked at how many Windows "experts" don't use the Windows Key + "a number" hotkeys. Just press Windows+1 to launch the first thing in your taskbar, all the way up to Windows+0 for the 10th item.

No this is not how I arrange my taskbar.

There are a few new ones as well worth learning...

New Windows 8 "Win-Key" Hotkeys to move faster

You've likely already figured out that to launch something from the keyboard you press Windows, type part of the name of the app, then press Enter. If you press Ctrl-Shift-Enter it will run that same app as Admin.

Turns out that the keyboard works for most everything, even menus you wouldn't suspect it does. When you get a menu up you can always use the keyboard or hotkeys to move around it.

If you learn just three hotkeys, learn:

  • Win+W - Search Control Panel and Settings stuff
  • Win+F - Search Files
  • Esc - Yes, escape. No joke. If you hit the Windows Key, you can hit Escape to go back.

Once you have those, add these:

  • Win+C - Charms (right side menu) then arrows to move and enter to launch.
  • Win+K - Devices
  • Win+I - Settings in any app plus brightness, network and other useful system features
  • Win+Arrows - Snap desktop apps to the sides
  • Win+(period) - Alternate sides to "snap" Metro Apps. Add shift to reverse it.
  • Win-X - Admin Stuff. I'm mentioning it twice because it's THAT useful.
  • Win+PageUp or Win+PageDn - Move full screen apps to other monitors. Super useful for News apps and Readers. The Start Screen can be moved as well.

Better File Operation (File Copy/Move) Dialogs

The file copy dialogs are reason enough to upgrade. No joke, especially when you expand them for details. You get sparklines, throughput, time remaining that makes sense, as well as stop and pause.

Windows 8 has an epic stacked File Operation Dialog

Awesome Task Manager

The Task Manager is epic. I keep it open a LOT. Back in the day I used to have a monitor dedicated to it. The whole point of the Task Manager is to answer those "what the hell is going on" questions. In Windows 7 and before all you could basically do was sort by CPU descending and complain. Now I can see the difference between Apps, Background Stuff, Services, etc.

Right now, for example, the disk is doing something. Here's the Task Man...

Apps in Task Manager

I'll sort by Disk, and I see it's Indexing a bunch of new files I copied.

Processes in Task Manager

I can see what apps are slowing down my startup, and disable them:

Startup in Task Manager

I can finally see services and stop them:

Services in Task Manager

Install Hyper-V

For the developer or power user this one feature is reason enough to upgrade to Windows 8. For the longest time I had a laptop that ran only Windows Server 2008 because I wanted to have a really good Virtual Machine solution with a HyperVisor. On my desktop I used Virtual Box. Now Windows 8 Pro (a client OS!) has Hyper-V which is huge.

Press WinKey+W, type "Add Feature" and select Hyper-V.

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If you want, you can check your Windows 7 machine now and see if your system is 64-bit and supports SLAT and the newer CPU features you'll need. Download CoreInfo and from an Admin Command Prompt run "coreinfo -v." You want to see a star where it says "Supports SLAT." Either way, you'll know as Hyper-V won't let you install if you don't meet the requirements.

C:\WINDOWS\system32>coreinfo -v

Coreinfo v3.05 - Dump information on system CPU and memory topology
Copyright (C) 2008-2012 Mark Russinovich
Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU X 980 @ 3.33GHz
Intel64 Family 6 Model 44 Stepping 2, GenuineIntel
HYPERVISOR - Hypervisor is present
VMX * Supports Intel hardware-assisted virtualization
EPT * Supports Intel extended page tables (SLAT)

Having a great Virtual Machine solution on the client has been great for me as I do a lot of screencasts and install a lot of beta stuff. I've got Ubuntu (which installs and works immediately because of the Hyper-V drivers are in Linux out of the box) running along side a few Windows 7 VMs, a Windows Server 2008 and a Windows XP VM.

Other nice features have been the ability to mount a VHD or ISO out of the box.

Show More Tiles

I have a 30" monitor in the middle of two 24" monitors. When I first looked at the Windows 8 Start Screen I thought "this is not using all my pixels." Then I found out that you can tell the Start Screen to use show more Tiles on high resolution (large) monitors.

Press Win+I (or go to Settings) and click Tiles:

Show More Tiles

Now I got those pixels working for me and the Start Menu felt nicer on a giant monitor.

I've filled a 30

Also, take a moment and "Ctrl+Scroll" (zoom out) from the Start Screen. From here you can right click on groups of icons and name them. I've cropped and zoomed in here...I can basically have sections, zoom out to see headings then click to zoom in. I can also drag these groups around which makes large moves easier.

Lots of Icons, Zoomed out and Named in Groups

Multi-Monitor Taskbars

I've been a multi-monitor guy for years and blogged about taskbar utilities that deal with Windows 7's lack of a good multiple monitor solution. Sadly for Ultramon, I haven't needed his excellent utility as it's handled the way I like it in Windows 8.

Multiple Monitor Taskbars in Taskbar Properties

See there where it says "Close all windows on this display?" Windows 8 it full of little improvements like that to irritations from previous OS versions.

Close all windows on THIS display

The Explorer Ribbon

On my large monitor, I like the Ribbon. Best part is - again, I'm a keyboard person - if I hit Alt, it lights up with the letters I need for hotkeys. Here's before...

Windows 8 Ribbon in Explorer

And after...

Explorer Bar Hotkeys

Don't like it? Hide it and move on. Look mom, no gnashing of teeth.

Hidden Explorer Bar

Conclusion

Maybe I'm too relaxed but after a few days and some hotkeys I've found Windows 8 to be Windows 7+1. Works fine, no crashes, lots of improvements. I spend most of my desktop time in Windows apps, all of which work. I keep News apps or Video apps in full screen on other monitors and I do move the Start Screen around but generally the whole thing has been a non-issue.


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Scott Hanselman is a former professor, former Chief Architect in finance, now speaker, consultant, father, diabetic, and Microsoft employee. I am a failed stand-up comic, a cornrower, and a book author.

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Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:17:04 AM UTC
Also, don't forget that WinKey+I is actually a fantastic shortcut. You can get to the power that way, as well as volume, screen brightness, network settings, and notifications.

Also, if you hadn't see it yet, I made this to help people afraid of cheese moving on Windows 8. Be sure to note the caption under the picture.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:38:36 AM UTC
Man, I really had to adjust to Windows 8 too. I already read about Win+X on Hacker News, which is sort of a life saver shortcut for Windows 8 if you're a power user. Your shortcuts will help me to get back on track, thanks for that! Here's another one: on the desktop, Alt+F4, Enter will shut down as well.

I haven't had such a strong "who moved my cheese" feeling with a piece of software, ever.

Overall I don't agree the Start screen (or the Charms bar) are non-issues. It would have been so much better if we could completely disable them. They look so touch friendly, and here I am looking at that eye candy on my non-touch laptop... it's like a punishment. "Look at all these goodies, you don't get to play with any of them."

What is also really silly, is when in one session as a power user, you encounter icons in the Windows 95 style, Windows XP style, Windows Vista/7 Aero style, and Windows 8 Metro style. That lack of polish is really indicative of Microsoft, they don't really seem to care about that stuff since forever.

And don't get me started on not being able to login to my brand new machine without an internet connection. Yes, I know the options, but it's very easy to setup a new install without ANY option to log in if the Windows Live service is unavailable.

(It feels that way, because mouse and keyboard, while working fine in Metro, feel like second-class interaction devices.)

And yes, I'm still calling it Metro, like the German supermarket (or whatever it is), and so should all of you...

Overall, I'm looking forward to service pack 1!
Mike
Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:45:51 AM UTC
Great tips. I'll add them both!
Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:54:26 AM UTC
This will be a life saver when I will install win 8 :)
Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:04:20 AM UTC
After these days, do you actually use the tile/home screen?

I can see the use of the live tiles on a slate but on my desktop it is just a very large Start menu with even more scrolling than the classic menu, which I haven't used since Vista added the typing in the Start menu.

I still use "hit the WinKey and start typing" to start a program.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:06:45 AM UTC
"Win+PageUp or Win+PageDn - Move full screen apps to other monitors. Super useful for News apps and Readers. The Start Screen can be moved as well."

The Start screen actually moves with single page app as well, probably the single most annoying thing in win8 for me. Meaning that I can't have single page apps running on different screens and that moving them from one screen to another drags the start view with them.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:14:00 AM UTC
VI users are comfy. What about a hotkey list for win7?
Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:21:46 AM UTC
To which key did you remap the win key on your macbook pro? Or did you stick with ctrl+ esc?
Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:26:36 AM UTC
Kris - I didn't, I'm using the CMD key.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:23:36 AM UTC
i have instaled

then saw that i cant change windows border size without changing registry

what the hell is this ? srsly guys ? now i cant even change the window border on MY os ?

no matter how awesome it is, i am out
Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:31:53 AM UTC
"I can finally see services and stop them:" - That tab looks just like the one on Windows 7. Which also has start and stop in the context menu. So not a new feature then :-)
Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:20:01 AM UTC
And what about all of these when you're on RDP session? You have either to sacrifice Win key on host or on client, isn't it? And sacrificing it on client makes work almost impossible.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:34:31 AM UTC
Hi Scott,

Great article. I think there is a small mistake. To add Hyper-V you say to choose 'Add Features to Windows', but I think you instead want the 'Turn Windows features on or off'. The Add Features is to upgrade to Pro or whatever.

Mark
Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:44:28 AM UTC
Trying to open applications in a VM client that doesn't capture the Start key is frustrating beyond belief. You have to hover your mouse down where the Start button should be, then wait around for the little start screen indicator to come up, then click it, then start typing. On a VM with a small amount of memory/CPU resources it can take several seconds for that start screen indicator to pop up.

I just can't get my head around why they won't offer us the simple option of having a Start button. Just leave it off by default, but offer us the damn option. I don't even care if it doesn't give me an actual Start menu, just give a freaking button I can click to pull up the start screen so I don't need to dick around with hovering over INVISIBLE targets.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:08:38 AM UTC
Regarding Hyper-V, do be aware that installing it will prevent VMware Workstation and similar applications from working and, though really good, it does come with inconveniences,such as:
- Display is 16-bit only (and no RemoteFX).
- No host-guest drag&drop (you will need to use network shared folders to transfer files).
- No USB pass-through (no USB sticks or local printers will be seen by the guests).

If you want to be able to use vmware/virtualbox/etc you will have to create a boot entry to disable the hypervisor, as Microsoft's own Virtual PC Guy explains.

And regarding Windows 8 general use, I must say the biggest problem for me is the beta state (or downright lack) of certain drivers but that should be sorted out soon enough.

Thanks for your blog, Scott! Massively valuable and great fun!
Daniel Lera
Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:35:56 AM UTC
You can run Hyper-V VM in the background (without display capture) and connect via RDP to it which gives you full colors, disk sharing, device sharing etc
foobar
Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:55:55 AM UTC
Thanks foobar! RDP actually doesn't give you 32-bit colour or 3D acceleration (at least not on my box) but yes, it does give you most other stuff.

The point of my comment was really about Hyper-V and Type 2 hypervisors not getting on very well (which I understand completely and wouldn't expect otherwise) and giving a workaround which I imagine most here already know of anyway but hey, I'm anti-DRY!
Daniel Lera
Saturday, August 25, 2012 12:23:14 PM UTC
Anyone get debugging .NET applications on IIS 8 working yet?
Mike
Saturday, August 25, 2012 12:26:57 PM UTC
Realy useful article for all first timers with Windows 8


Complete Windows 8 Desktop Keyboard Shortcuts here

Regards,
Viron.
Viron Papadopoulos
Saturday, August 25, 2012 12:44:42 PM UTC
Oh my goodness windows-x oh my goodness :)

I also really like how much smoother RTM is for multi monitors than the beta.

The other shortcut I use all the time (and this works since 7) is windows key, type something to search
Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:05:56 PM UTC
The Win key by itself takes you ri got to the start screen
Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:06:35 PM UTC
The Win key by itself takes you ri got to the start screen
Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:25:53 PM UTC
Going to try upgrading a dev notebook with IIS, Visual Studio & SQL 2012 to Windows 8 Pro today...
Saturday, August 25, 2012 1:41:59 PM UTC
Despite all the good things about Windows 8, there are some problems as well:

- On which of my 3 monitors does the start screen come up when I press the Windows button? I know, there must be some kind of rule behind this, but even after intensive investigation and working with it for days, I couldn't figure it out. It feels like random.

- Why can't I just pin icons to the new taskbars on my other two monitors? Life would be so much better...

- In the old days, I pressed the Windows button and started typing whatever I needed, then just hitting enter, i.e. "Folder opt" -> Enter. Now, that doesn't work anymore because for some reason the search categorizes the results and "Folder options" are under "Settings", which means that I have to use the arrow buttons to switch down to Settings first.

One more things: If you want a _good_ hypervisor, then uninstall Hyper-V and use VMware Workstation instead. It comes with native drag'n'drop and and excellent snaptshot feature that allows you to take snapshops and roll-back while it's running! I use it a lot for software testing and you should too. It's not cheap, but it's worth every cent.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:06:01 PM UTC
Excellent overview. I am very happy with Windows 8 and have been toying it since March but even I learned a few things from this. Thanks!
Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:09:58 PM UTC
FYI Over at Reddit in /r/sysadmin use UnoriginalGuy has a post about Win8 and how shutdown does not shutdown it just "mini hibernates".

If you have to shutdown win8, e.g. even to install Windows updates, you have to choose restart.

source: http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/ysty8/windows_8_shut_down_is_a_lie/

Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:10:03 PM UTC
Are you using Boot Camp for your MBP? Did you upgrade from Win7 to Win8 or do a clean install? I was hearing about issues people were having with drivers, mainly around the trackpad.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:40:57 PM UTC
When I installed Visual Studio and SQL, my Start screen was immediately spammed by all the extra icons that come with them. When I launch IE or Chrome, the instance that launches from the Start screen is entirely separate (different user profiles?) from the instance that launches from the icon in my taskbar with separate settings. I've got running programs in my taskbar and when I bump the top corner of the screen I've got a DIFFERENT set of running programs that's harder to get to because I can't even Alt-Tab to them. Windows 8 isn't just harder to use, it's completely broken.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:41:43 PM UTC
What I don't understand is this-

Every other blog tries it explain how shortcuts can help you achieve what you already do while navigating the maze that is metro. At the same time they point a finger at change and how people resist it.

Is it absolutely impossible and insane to consider that certain change might just a teeny bit have gone in the other direction? :)

I mean think about it. Everyone on this blog, I would consider are power users. Even we're sharing shortcut keys and new "discoveries". The world is moving to a NUI kinda place, where interfaces and interactions feel natural. When power users have to share tips for things that came about easily before, I doubt it's very natural. The burden on remembering how to interact with an OS is a huge one to put on users, IMHO.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to hate. Some of the features are amazing. Hyper-V on clients- awesome, fast boot - awesome, task manager changes - good to have.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:44:25 PM UTC
I have been using Windows 8 for a week as my primary work environment. I run it in VM on my MBP and it's been pretty good so far. I use an application launcher called <a href="http://executor.dk/ title="Executor">Executor</a> and which makes up for the lack of Start menu.
For people who really miss the Start menu, you can always get it back with a third party app.
Also, in a RDP session, you can press Alt + Home to invoke the Start menu.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:44:28 PM UTC
I don't get it - the whole point of Windows was _discoverability_ and _affordances_. Having to stumble across blog posts with the Double-Top-Secret keystrokes to do common tasks just doesn't feel like progress to me.

My software development is mostly bespoke apps for my IT consulting clients. I can't tell you how much I dread the support calls when they encounter Windows 8.

-- Jack
Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:19:30 PM UTC
Can anyone explain to me how to use Metro IE without having knowledge of keyboard shortcuts and right-click? How are non-power users on a desktop expected to know how to change tabs and go to a different page?
jinushaun
Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:29:37 PM UTC
And what happens when you like old keyboards with no windows key? No Menu Key? HATE (and I mean HATE) 'stuff' on your desktop. Stuff on a desktop = dashboard = stuff for suits who don't do real work - Win8 = Bob
Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:30:41 PM UTC
I'm sorry, but something is fundamentally wrong with Windows 8. The new task manager is great. Keyboard shortcuts? All good.

But the new metro lipstick thickly painted over the windows 7 desktop is a huge mistake. It should be optional in a transitional OS like this release clearly is.

My guess is that this will turn out to be another Vista. IT departments simply will not agree to upgrade their users to this...the training and support costs will far exceed the value they get from a nicer task manager.

Arthur Wait
Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:32:22 PM UTC
Scott thanks for this post really helped, my biggest grip with the ctrl+enter thing for admin is I constantly hit Win+Enter which turns Narrator on and is super freaking annoying...
Eric
Saturday, August 25, 2012 3:35:45 PM UTC
The "you have to slide up on the lock screen" complaint was valid in the developer preview build. That was changed to be much easier in the consumer preview. It really was ridiculous (and incomplete, of course) back then. No visual indicator. If you only clicked, the window did a little jump but slid back into place. Although you point out plenty of things to like, I think the average user is going to have to go through quite an adjustment and learning curve to get used to the new flow. Personally, I feel like the whole Metro experience just gets in the way. I used to use the start menu to search. While I can still do that with the start screen, the results seem to filter out things that are more for power users...
Tim Ehat
Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:02:04 PM UTC
I formatted this so I could hang it on my wall, for anyone else who would like to do the same:

Win+W : Search Control Panel and Settings stuff
Win+F : Search Files
Win+C : Charms
Win+K : Devices
Win+I : Metro Settings Charm
Win+Arrows : Snap desktop apps to the sides
Win+(period) : Alternate sides to "snap" Metro Apps.
Win-X : Administrative Tools
Win+PageUp/Dn : Move full screen apps to other monitors
Eric
Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:14:36 PM UTC
Besides the Windows 8 SKUs you've mentioned, there is also a Windows 8 Enterprise edition.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:15:29 PM UTC
@Daniel Lera

>RDP actually doesn't give you 32-bit colour or 3D acceleration (at least not on my box) but yes, it does give you most other stuff.

For 32bit colour you need to configure the terminal services settings on that machine to allow 32bit colour over RDP. On Server 2008 (R2) this is admin tools | Remote Desktop Services | ... Host Configuration| Properties on the connection: in Client Settings tab. Also ensure your RDP settings for the connection on the client are set to support 32bit colour.

(RDP rather assumes you want to avoid excess network bandwidth -- irrelevant of course when on the same physical machine.)
Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:36:13 PM UTC
I agree with Aniket, this is supposed to be a forward-thinking OS and yet to use it productively you need to use keyboard shortcuts? What kind of sense does that make? Look at OS X - gesture-based navigation can be wonderful on the desktop. Those hot corners are not the solution.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 4:44:09 PM UTC
Does installing Hyper-V on Windows 8 cause the root partition to run in the Hypervisor (VM parent partition) like it does with Hyper-V role in Serve 2008 R2?
James
Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:04:10 PM UTC
This release isn't about "progress" for users. It's about MS reacting to a (very real) threat in the consumer market. Unfortunately, I think they have failed to address both consumer and business market needs with this release.

I wouldn't hesitate to put Win8 on a tablet (where I play games, have a touch screen, etc.). But I don't want in on my desktop where I do actual work. I suspect that most businesses will simply pass this release over, preferring to stick with Windows 7.

Giving users the option of using the old start menu model would have been wise, IMO.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:56:51 PM UTC
I've been running Win8 on my desktop since the Consumer Preview, and to be honest, the Metro/Modern UI/Whatever interface is a catastrophe for us desktop users.

That being said, Windows 8 contains lots of other nice features which you have mentioned here Scott. Win+X for example (although they could've added that feature to win7 too I guess).

The interface for the Network tray icon is the dumbest change they've made I think.

PS. If you use the Google Talk application it's impossible to get links to open in Chrome (haven't tested other browsers). Whatever settings you make they always open in IE. DS.
Martin
Saturday, August 25, 2012 6:01:10 PM UTC
Scott,

Thanks for your power user review. I have a few 'hard' questions which I hope you can answer:

- remember 'fences'? How do you replace that ?


- What would be the reason to upgrade from W7? Which functionality do I gain (a better task manager or copy dialog is not that interesting)?


Sincerely Edward
Edward
Saturday, August 25, 2012 6:06:55 PM UTC
"If you press Ctrl-Enter it will run that same app as Admin."

You beautiful, beautiful man.
Matt
Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:20:56 PM UTC
Sorry, won't use it. It's a functional disaster for a desktop interface. It's not a matter of re-learning. It's just not intuitive at all. Aside from that, it's an artistic EPIC failure.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:59:13 PM UTC
Great post! I installed Win 8 Pro this week and was feeling a little lost. These tips are definitely going to help. thank you.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:59:24 PM UTC
The impression I get is that after an initial shock, most people will love Windows 8. I felt that way after the major overhaul of Office in 2007 (I think). The ribbon was so foreign to me, but now I can't live without it and couldn't ever go back to the old menu setup.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:34:12 PM UTC
In one of your previous posts you advocate for websites to adapt their rendering and interactions with mobile in mind. What's important is for the user to have a good experience at the "expense" of developer time. By the way, this is something I can totally agree with.

When it comes to W8, why should we, desktop users, have to adapt rather than the OS adapt to us? Why should we have to move the mouse over a much larger distance simply because the UI was designed for touch? Why should my "flow" be interrupted by a start menu that takes up the entire screen while I still needed to see that website in the back? Why do I now need to make four clicks rather than one or two? Why should I have to deal with two different ways of switching between apps? Why do I even need to worry about having two different kinds of apps? And so on...

There are websites out there that worry about having a button 4px larger or smaller, or a few pixels higher because it improves conversion. These developers obsess about making the experience as fluid as possible for their users. In comparison, W8 for desktop users is like a shop owner who insults you, makes you wait twice as long in line, and puts the chewing gum in the back of the store.

While I appreciate your attempt to make the situation more bearable, those who go out of their way to justify this UI/UX abuse, I believe, have a serious case of Stockholm syndrome.
Peter
Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:55:26 PM UTC
I agree with the other poster above, installing programs like Visual Studio or Office will completely SPAM the Metro Start screen with totally irrelevant icons. Then, it's up to the user to go clean that mess.

With a new UI comes a lot of new rules. Many apps out there today will make the Metro Start screen hard to use. Therefor, Microsoft should have allowed a hybrid model with a classical program launcher in Desktop mode.

Somewhere, someone made a decision to force Metro on us. That decision was wrong. The OS pretty solid otherwise, but it feels very fragmented and unpolished.

Also, when I say Metro, I mean the UI, not the German supermarket. Just saying in case you were confused...
Mike
Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:10:17 PM UTC
A long time ago I developed a replacement for one of our existing products that was radically different, both in functionality and user interface. We were a small company and there was a net million bucks to be harvested from our user base if they would upgrade.

It had all the new functionality they were crying for, but unfortunately, the existing customers just wanted the new functions with the old user interface (which simply wasn't possible).

NEW customers loved it and the folks selling it were happy, but the upgrades were never really realized.

I think the MS guys know that Win7 corporate users will stay put for a while. It happened with the ribbon control. But they need new customers and if they don't do something they're finished. They can't use the same old interface on their new touch devices and the move away from cycle-hogging, battery-draining, shiny buttons is brilliant. They are innovating and not everyone is going to like it. Those of us with sensory overload are in love with the clean UI and better typography, desktop version included. I didn't like the ribbon when it was introduced and now I love it. I deployed a WPF app with it and guess what - no end user training required.

In the last year, for my personal use, I purchased Windows Storage Server 2008, a Windows Phone 7 and am using VS2012. My experience with these products has been excellent in contrast to previous MS efforts.

They're not perfect, but they're back with some quality and if that means learning a new button or two - then whatever.

(Just to be clear, I am not an MS fanboy: in my household, we have a Kindle, a Kindle Fire, two iPads, three iPhones and three Androids. I don't have a tablet and I intend to buy a Surface Pro when it comes out.)

Scott - They should just wrap this post around each copy of Win8 they sell. Thanks for all the tips and the blog. Awesome.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:27:33 PM UTC
Mike... I can debug in Visual Studio 2012. Running SQL 2012 and IIS w/o any problems.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:32:21 PM UTC
When it comes to W8, why should we, desktop users, have to adapt rather than the OS adapt to us? Why should we have to move the mouse over a much larger distance simply because the UI was designed for touch? Why should my "flow" be interrupted by a start menu that takes up the entire screen while I still needed to see that website in the back? Why do I now need to make four clicks rather than one or two? Why should I have to deal with two different ways of switching between apps? Why do I even need to worry about having two different kinds of apps? And so on...


When I read questions like this, I get the impression that the person isn't interested in improving their computer skills. Doesn't matter how smart that person may be .... they just think that the plateau they arrived at is as far as they will ever need to go in life.

Let's go through these:

1) "Why should we adapt to the OS rather than the OS adapt to us?" -- the question makes no sense because you adapted to the OS in the past. You did! There was no such thing as a "start menu" before 1995 and it only had one column up until 2001. People struggled like hell to understand the Start menu when it was introduced.... many thought it was a big step backwards to be forced to navigate through pop-up menus instead of the Windows 1 - 3.1 way of just opening up the program group on the desktop. A lot of people were already equipped with years of Mac experience which was closer to the old Windows way of opening your app from inside a window.

But people adapted... right? Despite some reservations, dyed-in-the-wool graybeard Mac OS 8/9 users struggled to adjust to the dock, but did it eventually... right? Pretty much nobody on the Mac seriously questions the "one icon per application" philosophy anymore, because it makes plenty of sense. So much so that Windows 7 adopted something similar, which we all adjusted to.... right?

2) "Why should we have to move the mouse larger distances?" .... you don't have to. Hanselman has repeatedly said that if you use your mouse to do everything, you're a bit...... well...... stupid. And he's right. If you're mousing your way into the Start menu for something often enough that it's annoying you, it should be on your taskbar instead so it is consistently available to you in the same place on your screen, with exactly one click. If you insist on keeping it in the start menu, you can move any Start menu tile around to anywhere you like.

That's an example of the OS adapting to you, by the way.

3) "Why should my flow be interrupted by a full-screen Start menu?" ...... how often do you need to go into the Start menu while browsing a web site, anyways? What's in there that's so important but CANNOT be placed on your taskbar? Be honest with yourself here -- you probably can't name anything.

4) "Why do I need to make four clicks rather than one or two?" ..... because you haven't learned how to do it in one or two yet. There's no other reason.

5) "Why do I have to deal with two different ways of switching between apps?" .... don't you mean three kinds of apps? The UI for switching between Facebook and hanselman.com is different from the UI for switching between Outlook and Visual Studio, right? (Well, unless you're using IE, which is the only browser I'm aware of that tries to treat web applications like applications.... but most of us switched away from IE a long time ago so we don't get those benefits). If you're concerned about the disconnect between classic desktop apps and the new Metro-style apps, here's an idea: Don't use metro-style apps. Problem solved!

6) To answer your final question about why Metro-style apps are needed in the first place, yes, it does have a lot to do with tablet-style user interfaces because Microsoft thinks that is the direction computing is going. The problem Microsoft had here is that the traditional Windows API programming model is so old and disorganized that it wasn't going to be possible to build out a whole new style of applications using what is effectively a 30-year-old platform. They had to start somewhere, and Windows 8 is it.


TL;DR: The way you know how to operate a computer is not the one true way. Flex your adaptability muscles a bit, and invest your best energy in learning instead of bitching, 'cause the latter won't really get you anywhere.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 9:58:50 PM UTC
I also find the "Metro" interface somewhat clunky and find myself wishing it had been made optional. If I could, I'd turn it off completely. It is really pointless on a desktop or laptop without touch. MSFT would have been smart to spend a little more time and have the installer detect the presence of touch capabilities and only activate the metro interface on touch hardware. Otherwise keep the original start menu.

That said, HyperV just might be enough to convince me to upgrade my desktop (I've already upgraded my laptop). I currently use VMWare Workstation 8 to run Server 2008 (R1, not R2) as a "shared VM" to host TeamCity. VMWare won't let me install 64bit OS so I can't install R2 or Server 2012. Here's my coreinfo report:

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz
Intel64 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 7, GenuineIntel
HYPERVISOR - Hypervisor is present
VMX - Supports Intel hardware-assisted virtualization
EPT - Supports Intel extended page tables (SLAT)

I should be able to install HyperV, would I be able to run a 64bit OS? If so, that might be worth putting it on my desktop as soon as Acronis True Image supports Win8.
Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:08:37 PM UTC
Note: Visual Studio 2012 didn't automatically create the .NET website as an application in IIS 8. (Unless I missed something) Had to do everything manually. Working great now.
Mike
Saturday, August 25, 2012 10:53:18 PM UTC
I installed Windows 8 this week, and I have to say I was expecting it to be a lot worse than it was. The whole start menu, navigation doesn't seem like any issue after all. And it's noticably faster than Windows 7 for most common operations. Maybe due to the UI simplification.

I do have to say though the UI of Windows 8 Desktop is UGLY, UGLY, UGLY. There's hardly any contrast between Windows so it's not immediately obvious at a glance which window has focus. The missing lack of depth also makes it all feel very old school - more like Windows 95 than anything. This I can live with, but feels like 2 steps backwards - I have a powerful machine, Windows should help make it take advantage of the horsepower at least as an option.

Biggest complaint I have though is the inability to run as a true Administrator. You can't use UAC to make this happen anymore - it requires a policy change. And then if you do enable a true admin account, you can't run Win RT apps (which isn't a big loss - the built-in stuff is horrendous). I debug a lot of unmanaged code and I need to run as admin crossing several process boundaries and that's impossible without running as true admin. Not a common use case, but I wish there was an easy way to do this than the policy setting (which is buried 8 levels down).

Overall I'm of mixed mind. Functionally there are many small improvements that are cool and the added snappiness and faster boot, shutdown, startup sleep times are also very nice. Hardware just works without any fanfare. All good stuff.

But aesthetically I can only shake my head and think this is not the way we want to go forward with a platform. I'm sure next update will come back with full bore overemphasized graphics. There never seems to be any middle ground when it comes to Windows with Microsoft...
Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:03:59 PM UTC
@Warren:

When you design something your goal is to make a UI that is intuitive and natural. You build on top of existing paradigms from the real world or from the abstract world of software.

In the software world it is harder to design a proper interface because a lot of our senses are not involved. We can't really touch a virtual button, but the idea of a button comes from the real world where you can actually touch it. If you've never seen a button in real life you won't know what to do with one in the virtual world.

Of course you can learn, but the bar is higher than that. You have to aim for your interface to be as learn-free as possible. This is the foundation of modern UI. You should NOT make people think. If you do, it's at your peril, as your competitor will sweep up your business in no-time. (Of course MS doesn't have to worry about this, for now...)

In some cases you have to change things around. However, the long term ROI has to justify it. From a desktop user's point of view I don't see any ROI in W8. For the average user I see a negative return, even in the long run. Just because you're smart, can adapt quickly, and can tune out the annoyance over time, doesn't mean that the majority of people can or are willing to try.

This is one of the main reasons Linux never really caught on the desktop. "Just bring up the command line and type in this command. What's the matter you're too stupid to do this?" For the average user telling them to use a keyboard shortcut is pretty much the same thing. A few select will learn while the majority won't bother or will mumble in frustration.

To address your points:

1) When working on the desktop, in the start screen, and I right click on item the menu is at the bottom and then I have to move the mouse all the way to the bottom rather than a right click menu where the menu follows the mouse. From a mouse point of view this makes no sense. It makes perfect sense from a touch UI point of view. Another one: Quick, when in Metro, how do you close an app? Is that really easier than clicking an X? Now try that in a multi-monitor configuration...

2)Yes you do (see above for examples). I doubt that Scott called somebody stupid for using the mouse, but in any case, we're talking about regular folks here.

3) Ah, every time I want to search for something? What's important there? How about all my documents...

4) There are steps in W8 that require more clicks and more mouse movement than in W7.

5) Your "don't use Metro apps" solution clearly shows the problem.

6) It's not like there's no other way MS could have handled this. They just chose a way that is not optimal.
Peter
Saturday, August 25, 2012 11:16:46 PM UTC
@Warren: One more example of the OS not adapting. In the login screen, why can't it not detect that you don't have a touch device and why does it force you to simulate the touch and drag paradigm with a mouse?! It could've been very simple: touch device -> work just like now, non-touch device -> either go to the login screen directly or have a "click here to login" button (preferably just show the login on top of the "welcome screen").
Peter
Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:24:11 AM UTC
@Peter: any click or keypress will get you to the login prompt, you do not need to drag anything.
Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:59:16 AM UTC
Use IIS Express people, unless you absolutely postively need IIS. IIS Express is the default in 2012, Cassini no longer is.
Gill Bates
Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:59:41 AM UTC
@Daniel: I know, but that's not the point. Why should there even be a doubt as to what to do next? When you're working with a phone or tablet there's a good reason why you would need to do this -- you need to lock the screen so that you won't dial something by mistake while the phone is in your pocket. There's absolutely no reason for this behavior on a desktop! This is yet another example how treating the desktop the same way as a touch device doesn't make sense (from the user's point of view i.e., it makes perfect sense from MS's bottom line point of view).
Peter
Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:17:04 AM UTC
Peter,

You don't have to click & drag...not at all. You can just click, or press a key or anything really, and it will reveal the sign-in screen.
Shane Nokes
Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:29:16 AM UTC
@Warren, and Scott for that matter...

I'm sorry, but the assertion that one is stupid if they use their mouse is just...well, stupid.

Guess what - we have the mouse for a reason and the paradigm for its use within Windows has been established for quite some time now. Perhaps the little start video should really lead with:

"Oh, by the way, any notion you had of right clicking, lasso selecting or other common actions you'd expect to have on a similarly presented UI in a Windows operating system - yeah, throw those out the Window (see what I did there?) because we changed it around and guess what - we're not going to tell you how it changed! Oh, and we're also going to constantly remind you of Win7 with the 'desktop' portion of the OS and make you long for how simple it was before. Good luck, have fun!"

As someone mentioned above, there are most definitely actions you do have to drag your mouse completely across the screen if you want to perform an action. There are no shortcut keys around such actions.

I'll also harp on the lack of lasso select - seriously, you're going to make me !@#)(!@# right click on every damn icon to select them, then remove them? Even if the removal itself is in bulk, guess what - this fancy lasso select people have been using for...I dunno, forever - is the way we deal with such a problem. This becomes quite apparent once you install say Visual Studio and SQL Server onto a Win8 box because you have to clear a painfully stupid amount of icons from your start menu. If you're going to be a keyboard bigot about it, where's my CTRL-A for the start screen?

I was definitely in a similar boat with being royally pissed with my PC after installing Win8. Thankfully Scott pointed out the Win-X combo but the point is that it had to be pointed out - it's not intuitive. Moreover the whole type-to-find approach regresses in Win8. Want to join a domain or see what you're on in Win7? Just type. Want to in Win8? You need to explicitly know to go to the control panel to do that, THEN you can type it there. That's poor UX. Most of Win8 is. This persistent theme of UX ineptitude with the Win8 wave is nothing short of dumbfounding.

This business of trying to create a unified UI for a tablet and a desktop, while admirable, is just...well, stupid. Without any contextual switching to tailor the experience to the device the overall experience of W8 falls pretty much flat on its face.

There are -zero- compelling features, outside of *potentially* Hyper-V, for corporations to adopt this. End of story. Try selling a fancy file copy and task manager dialog to a CIO. Watch him laugh your ass right out of the building. You know when one of the big questions is if you have downgrade rights in a technically agressive organization, you're on the totally wrong side of the conversation.

Let's not call Win8 Win7+1. Let's call it WinME or Bob 2.0. My OS shouldn't be fighting against me. This isn't about moving cheese, this is about just exceptionally poor UX. Period. Admirable goal - pretty much a failure.
Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:42:52 AM UTC
Windows 8 is a multi-monitor remote desktop host. Connect to it with "mstsc /multimon".
Name
Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:53:21 AM UTC
Not sure where that mouse comment came from, I didn't say that. BTW another way to Alt-X is to right click in the lower left corner.
Sunday, August 26, 2012 3:00:10 AM UTC
I have a Win7 64 bit machine.

Installing CoreInfo, as suggested, does not show any error, but results ONLY in four entries in the Windows/PreFetch folder, like:

C:\Windows\Prefetch\COREINFO.EXE-47D74EF1.pf

Typing "coreinfo -v" in a admin-privileged command-window results in a message the program cannot be found.

Does 'CoreInfo' require something else to be installed ?

thanks, Bill
Sunday, August 26, 2012 3:22:36 AM UTC
It occurs to me that every point this article illustrates, is a highly technical work-around for being productive in Win 8 for tech-heads, and power users: as the song "House of the Rising Sun" sings: "oh Lord, I guess I'm one."

That's fine, but the problem is that probably greater than 90% of the market is for people who are not tech-heads, or power-uses, and who don't want to be: they want to be productive, and they want the UI to assist them to be productive, and get out of their way as much as possible.

I agree totally with J. Johnson's remark above: "I don't get it - the whole point of Windows was discoverability and _affordances. Having to stumble across blog posts with the Double-Top-Secret keystrokes to do common tasks just doesn't feel like progress to me."

Yes, the Interface formerly known an "Metro" will provide a "dumbed-down" interface suitable for small form-factor devices: if your eyes can visually withstand the jammed together tiles.

But, the users for content creation and productivity ... who will use a keyboard and mouse, on a large(r) screen(s) ... don't want, or need, a dumbed-down UI half-integrated with an upgrade of Win 7, in a "schizophrenic" manner.

The sight of your glaring-color collage of rectangles on your thirty inch monitor, both before, and after, you order by categories: is perhaps the best visual argument I've ever seen for never using Metro/Modern on a large screen.

I'm just praying that, within one month after the official upgrade, some kindly third-party will offer a tool to completely suppress Metro/Modern: I'd pay more for that than for the upgrade to Win 8.

Bill Woodruff
Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:57:55 AM UTC
My biggest problem with Windows has never been the UI, it's the Command Line, or lack there-or. With both Mac OSX, BSD and Linux (and others) running most of the same applications and commands in their Shells, it's amazing! There is nothing comparable in Windows to a Unix shell. And I'm not going to settle for poor patches and emulation please. So when MS decides to move to a UNIX core, I'll think about Windows again...
Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:49:39 AM UTC
Dude, this is great. I love Windows 8. I am tired of all the whining and complaining.

To quote Louis C.K. "Everything is amazing and nobody is happy (youtube)". He continues "We live in an amazing time, with amazing technology which is wasted on the crappiest generation of spoiled, non-contributing zeros." (I paraphrase)

The Windows UI Metaphor has remained relatively unchanged for the past...17 years?...since...Windows 95? And now everyone is saying that Microsoft is moving too fast...too much change, too quickly. Seriously? Shut up people.

The stupid people responses are the best...I can't invest the time to re-train on this really hard new UI so I'm going to:

1) Get a Mac! (yeah, because then you can avoid all the retraining...LOL)

2) Switch to Linux (look, I love Linux, but get real. If this UI is too hard for you to master, you are screwed)

3) I'll stay on (7, Vista, XP, 98...whatever). Good idea. Half of you are still on XP...an 11 year old operation system. Staying 11 years behind technology has helped you adapt so well, so why not stay there.

So, Windows 8 may actually widen the Digital Divide. You gonna hide in the past on the other side of the divide? Go ahead.

Windows 8 was designed for the next 1 Billion Users, not the last 1 Billion Users.

I'm moving forward!!!! #WIN8 #FTW
mobiletonster
Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:51:14 AM UTC
@Victor

What? There's still the good old command prompt, and PowerShell, and PowerShell is part of 8 by default now...

So what do you mean there is not a good command line?
Shane Nokes
Sunday, August 26, 2012 7:27:11 AM UTC
"You've likely already figured out that to launch something from the keyboard you press Windows, type part of the name of the app, then press Enter. If you press Ctrl-Enter it will run that same app as Admin."


Don't you mean Ctrl-Shift-Enter?
Sunday, August 26, 2012 7:43:50 AM UTC
@mobiletonster

Which Windows 8 do you speak of: the "Modern" tile-based UI, or the Win 8 desktop ? Do you really believe there is a "synergy" between the two: I got news for you: speaking as a programmer: as yet, there's not even a way for a Win 8 Desktop app to inter-operate at high-speed with a Metro/Modern app, imho, a fatal flaw on Intel hardware. And, that's not even considering the "brave new world" of WinRT on ARM which constitutes a huge "rupture" with legacy MS technologies.

There is a lineage of UI design that was well-worked out by the early 60's at Xerox Parc:

Heisted by Apple, heisted by Microsoft, and, almost universally adopted, that includes: a "where you are" cursor, "insertion cursors," some form of icon or tiles on a "virtual desktop," mouse input, drag-and-drop (yes, very limited in the early days) and direct-action via on/in user-interfaces.

Later elaborations include File-Explorer tree-views, great evolution in the area of drag-drop functionality, non-mouse control (trackpads, touch, gestural, voice, even eye-control: the last three of those being, of course as yet mass-market unsuccessful).

The idea that Metro/Modern is something "new under the sun," and not just another flavor of this "classic lineage," is completely mistaken, if anything it draws from earlier versions of Windows.

Your list of "stupid people" statements rant puzzles me: I cannot find one statement on the responses to this blog that gives a clear example of any of item in your list.

Tech-heads and power-users represent perhaps .001 per-cent of the next billion users; however, the next billion users may be dominated by people who will buy touch-driven, smaller-form-factor, and portable devices (tablets, slates, smart-phones, netbooks, phblets, etc.), and most of those will be content consumers, not content creators.

Fortunately for MS, they will continue, I believe, to have a healthy and expanding revenue base from corporate clients, content producers, and server-side OS's.

By saying "content consumers," I intend no "put-down:" nothing wrong with folks having a device to primarily use the net, read their e-mail and compose e-mail, go shopping, use the net to get information related to where they are physically (GPS), take pictures and adjust them for contrast/brightness, sharpness, post their content on their FaceBook Wall, or in whatever social networks they use, etc.

It's fine with me that you "love" Win 8, but your extrapolations from your "passion" to the rest of the world, and the future users of technology, strike me as illogical.

As of yet, there is not even review by any third-party who has had the opportunity to really sit down and test the keyboard on Win Surface, and test what it's like to use touch-driven MS Office: it's premature, imho, to be "in love" ... yet :)

So, what am I enthused about: the excellence in Ms's tech tools, particulary VS 2012, the inherent beauty and power of C#, and the potential in the future for high-precision no-touch gestural control in development now at companies like leapmotion.com.

If only "voice recognition, and control" could ever reach a point of usability !

yrs, Bill
Sunday, August 26, 2012 10:04:38 AM UTC
"I'm consistently shocked at how many Windows "experts" don't use the Windows Key + "a number" hotkeys"

Perhaps the problem with these keyboard shortcuts is that they are not discoverable. The user is required to RTFM, which suggests there's a problem with the usability of the software and not the user.
Sunday, August 26, 2012 12:14:45 PM UTC
@Bill, who asks: "...Does 'CoreInfo' require something else to be installed..."

Create a directory in drive C: called Coreinfo
Place "coreinfo.exe" in drive C:\Coreinfo
Run commandprompt as admin.
Navigate to C:\Coreinfo>coreinfo -v
press enter, and you'll get the results you want.

Sunday, August 26, 2012 2:47:13 PM UTC
@Victor, in case you missed it, PowerShell v2 has been shipping with Windows 7, and PowerShell v3 ships with Windows 8.

It might take some getting used to if you are stuck in the mindset of manipulating strings, but you may come to prefer object oriented scripting/CLI over the old fashioned method.
Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:39:22 PM UTC
I think the main problem is not that MS "moved my cheese", but that it doesn't let me move it back if I want to. :)

Windows was so successful because it was customizable - all they had to do was to let the code in place so that the user could customize the UI as he prefers - enable back the start menu, disable the new "Metro" start screen, enable or disable the Aero theme or go back to using Ctrl-Alt-Del before logging-in. In this way the power user could customize the OS to it's liking, while most users will learn "the new way".

But instead someone at Microsoft has decided that no, the users have to be forced to use the new UI and be denied to customize it.
Sure from a business perspective MS won't be affected by this bad move - they will continue to sell millions of copies and make profits, but will leave a sour taste to many clients.
Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:25:05 PM UTC
Thanks, Scott! These hotkeys just increased my Win8 productivity about a million percent! I loved the Win7 start menu with the integrated search. This makes Win8 just as good (although slightly less user friendly, imo).
Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:32:31 PM UTC
Pete - As with all hotkeys, as well as the unix shell. Read the Manual is part of all operating systems.
Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:11:18 PM UTC
Let's see a few things that irritate me in Win8:

> 2) "Why should we have to move the mouse larger distances?" .... you don't have to. Hanselman has repeatedly said that if you use your mouse to do everything, you're a bit...... well...... stupid. And he's right.

I'm a keyboard user, and I find Windows 8 clumsier than 7. Compare eg. shutting down in 7 (Win, right arrow, Enter) to 8 (Ctrl+Alt+Del, Shift+Tab, Shift+Tab, Enter, up arrow, up arrow, Enter), or searching the control panel (in 7: Win, type, results available immediately; in 8: Win, type, Tab, down arrow, Enter). This is supposed to be an improvement?

> 3) "Why should my flow be interrupted by a full-screen Start menu?" ...... how often do you need to go into the Start menu while browsing a web site, anyways?

I honestly had no idea I was even doing it, until I found out how it breaks my flow in 8. Win, type something, (Ctrl+Shift+)Enter - can't do that anymore since it really kicks me out of the zone. Aargh.

> 4) "Why do I need to make four clicks rather than one or two?" ..... because you haven't learned how to do it in one or two yet. There's no other reason.

Teach me how to shut down with two clicks (or 3 keypresses) like in Windows 7 (and no, using the power button on my computer is out of the question - my tower is tucked in a corner of the room behind the door, and I can't easily reach it; I power the machine on by hitting spacebar).

I'm trying to like Windows 8 (especially since I can finally keep desktop composition enabled while using my high contrast colour scheme), but some of the decisions they made really make me go "What the *** were they thinking?!"
ender
Monday, August 27, 2012 1:34:55 AM UTC
That Win+X shortcut is just what I've been looking for, finally, a shortcut to all the admin stuff.
Monday, August 27, 2012 2:34:44 AM UTC
Still using slickrun? Looking for a replacement for win+q now that windows took it over!
Chris Kinsman
Monday, August 27, 2012 8:49:21 AM UTC
Laugh at me, but to me it feels like when a car producer moves steering wheel and gearshift from one place to another--every 10 or so years. And this time they also moved the door--to the roof of the car.
Next time they're going to press the user to using the Dvorak keyboard - it *is* much better than the qwerty most of us are used to.

Radisav
Monday, August 27, 2012 9:42:03 AM UTC
Some great tips... will come back here whenever I make the change to Windows 8.

@Warren: You trolling deliberately, or by accident? Clever trolls are witty and the wildly emotive responses are always amusing. Nobody needs a stupid troll.

Not that I normally read/respond to any comment more than a couple of lines, or have a clue what using Windows 8 is like - too many of your points involve adding something to the task bar. I don't see why anyone should need to do that. If I can't find my way around *any* new software in under 5 minutes, I uninstall it and never attempt using it again. If anyone complains about my software being unintuitive, I rewrite it.
Monday, August 27, 2012 11:40:35 AM UTC
I like Windows 8 from technical side, but that metro crap is driving me crazy. Makes no sense on Desktop for me. So I have found this project: Windows 7 shell on Windows 8. Looks really nice. And I suppose that missing functionality that they have moved to metro will be replaced by third-party programs. For example Networks popup or ability to change user account picture. That way we can achieve familiar and *true* productive desktop, while still enjoying Windows 8 technical improvements (like Hyper-V). This also works for Server 2012 (What they were thinking with metro on *Servers*!).
Eldarien
Monday, August 27, 2012 12:32:43 PM UTC
Hi Scott,

Just one thing, the hotkey for the system info is actually WIN+PAUSE not break (the break key is usually the same, but for me they're different... in fact for me it's WIN+FN+PGUP/PAUSE :)

Cheers,

James
Monday, August 27, 2012 1:36:57 PM UTC
Win+Q search in Windows 8 from anywhere. Open the Finance app, press Win+Q and just start typing a ticker symbol...
Open Mail app, press Win+Q and start typing.
etc...
Monday, August 27, 2012 2:48:17 PM UTC
My only big problem with windows 8 right now is that screensavers and shutting down displays automatically doesn't work at all. Worked #1 in windows 7. No one seems to know what's the problem: http://superuser.com/questions/464911/screensaver-wont-start-in-windows-8

Also the shortcut to change the current language change from alt-shift to WIN+Space. This is kind of annoying also.
Monday, August 27, 2012 3:09:00 PM UTC
I agree with Eldarien. Windows 8 is very very enticing from a technical point. But the interface is schizophrenic. I mean I can understand the point, Microsoft had tried to implement desktop paradigm into mobile hardware (Old windows mobiles has a start button etc etc) and it didn't take. I hated start menu on those devices. It almost always got in the way. So, they created tiles approach in the mobile and it is great! But implementing this in desktop, because it was so successful in mobiles, is a bad idea. I believe what Microsoft trying to achieve here is creating an unified user experience which does not change from mobile to desktop. It is a good goal, a perfect goal from users' point of view. Learn once, use everywhere. But tiles in desktop is really not that usable; if you can use it and be more productive, good for you! I couldn't. I felt the same uneasiness while using start menu in windows mobiles. It somehow does not feel right, not to me at least.

Having said that, I think windows 8 will shine in Microsoft Surface. OS expects touch, hardware supports touch and to be frank it'll be a marriage made in heaven.

Monday, August 27, 2012 3:33:52 PM UTC
I'm really looking forward to seeing how devices such as the Leap Motion will work with Windows 8. I'm not sold yet ... it might get really annoying waving your hand in the air, but I haven't tried yet so I'll reserve judgement. They say it will support Windows 8 touch emulation. It it would be a cheap way to get virtually a touch screen without having to buy a real touch screen ... and without smudging up your screen.
Davin Studer
Monday, August 27, 2012 3:55:51 PM UTC
@Scott "As with all hotkeys, as well as the unix shell. Read the Manual is part of all operating systems."

It is. But does it have to be?
For example, would it improve usability to have a mode where the user is told of shortcuts if they perform an action that has one? Maybe, maybe not, but I think a better solution exists than expecting users to learn myriad keystroke combinations.

I don't own an iPad, but is RTM required to use that operation system?
Monday, August 27, 2012 4:18:16 PM UTC
How are we to remember all these hotkeys? Removing all the mouse-driven ways of doing important things is not my idea of progress.
nap
Monday, August 27, 2012 4:49:47 PM UTC
Thank you for the post, I'm a keyboard guy myself.

I don't want Microsoft to fail at this, but I'm more than a bit worried that they're going to.

After years of trying to make a desktop UI work on touch devices and failing, now they're trying to make a touch UI work on a desktop. MS is determined to make a one-size-fits-all user experience. Why?? Aren't they big enough to build and maintain two?

Win8 was built to compete with Apple's iPad. But MS hasn't learned Apple's lesson. OS X and iOS are different stacks for different devices. They provide discoverability and affordance on both because they know that the discoverability and affordance model for a touchscreen is completely different from a mouse. In the past year I've watched my 3-year-old figure out an iPhone and a laptop PC with very little instruction, and not once did I see her try to use a paradigm on one device that was designed for the other.

This is not to say that the new shared kernel is on the wrong track. I love the idea of having a tablet that I can use on a couch, then plug a keyboard and mouse into it and get some real work done, all on the same machine. But it needs to work differently when a mouse is plugged into it than it does when I'm controlling it with a touchscreen. Similarly, it should work differently on a 20" monitor (or pair thereof) than it does on a 10" monitor.

So bottom line, Microsoft has something here, but they need to work harder to get the experience right. Windows 7 did that for Vista, and I hope the next rev does that for 8. Check that – Microsoft doesn't have three more years to compete with iPad on this – they need to nail this in a service pack.

-Chris
Monday, August 27, 2012 5:56:15 PM UTC
Win+X is a great tip! Thanks. But isn't it just a bit ironic that Microsoft's new touch-based, tablet-oriented operating system almost requires that power users master keyboard shortcuts to function where a mouse was once all you needed? I still haven't made much headway with Windows 8. The single greatest frustration for me, believe it or not, has been application switching (or minimizing, or even closing). Seriously, it just feels like a tablet OS that was shoe-horned into a PC. But I'll keep trying.
Monday, August 27, 2012 5:57:18 PM UTC
1. There's no Win Key on the virtual keyboard. Suggestions?

2. I use a Kinesis Essential keyboard[1]. Again, no Win key available. Suggestions?

[1] http://kinesis-ergo.com/images/kb_adv-wht720x442.jpg

Ed
Monday, August 27, 2012 6:02:19 PM UTC
Scott,

Instead of doing WIN+PGUP & WIN+PGDW I'd rather use shift key and cursors. Because I already use WIN+LEFT for snapping to left, WIN+SHIFT+LEFT moves window to left screen. Much easier to remember and to use.

Regards, Dennis
Monday, August 27, 2012 7:54:03 PM UTC
I should say that in spite of my above comments, I have few qualms about moving to Windows 8 personally because they kept the most important feature: the ability to create a shortcut to just about anything (including shutdown, restart and log off), assign a custom icon to it, assign a custom keyboard shortcut to it, and put it wherever you want.

That was my favorite feature of Windows 95 and it's still there in Windows 8. You can even pin them to the new start screen where you can have a whole screenful of them instead of being limited to a single strip like WinXP-7 or having to cascade them out like Win95-2000. This is perfect since I don't like cluttering my desktop with shortcuts, but I have a lot of them. The start screen scales better than the start menu.

So personally, I was never a big fan of the start menu and I'm not that sad to see it gone. As long as I can make my own shortcuts and pin them somewhere I can get to quickly.

At first I was concerned that I could no longer search for files from Start, then I learned that Win+F does that. Fine by me, since I never search for programs and files at the same time. Remembering to hit Win+I instead of Win to search for Control Panel utilities will be a bit harder to adjust to, since I think of them like programs.

And I'm not going to miss Aero either.
Monday, August 27, 2012 8:09:23 PM UTC
Hi Scott!
I aggry with all that you wrote!I'm using W8 since last year i think. it's awsom and i like it!
BUT i faced one bug and i dont know where to write about it. My metro apps not working at all. even windows store!

Can you help me to find where can I post my bug report?
Monday, August 27, 2012 8:35:17 PM UTC
I'm a keyboard user, and I find Windows 8 clumsier than 7. Compare eg. shutting down in 7 (Win, right arrow, Enter) to 8 (Ctrl+Alt+Del, Shift+Tab, Shift+Tab, Enter, up arrow, up arrow, Enter), or searching the control panel (in 7: Win, type, results available immediately; in 8: Win, type, Tab, down arrow, Enter). This is supposed to be an improvement?


Most users don't even bother to shutdown anymore, or if they do, won't have much trouble using the mouse or the power button to do so.

If you really want an easier way to do it with the keyboard, make yourself a shortcut to both shutdown and restart in the Win-X menu. You can easily Google for guides on that. Or make a shortcut for shutdown and place it in your taskbar so you can WIN-# for the position of where you put it, etc.

As for control panel, use the WIN-W shortcut. It will save you all that tabbing. If you want to search the desktop control panel, then put a shortcut to control panel on your Start screen. Once launched, the cursor is automatically placed in the search box.
Jon
Monday, August 27, 2012 8:49:21 PM UTC
Jon reminded me: I should have said Win+W for search settings, not Win+I. Sorry.
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 6:39:23 AM UTC
@Jon - I don't know where you live, but in many parts of the world people still shutdown their computer every day - electricity is not so cheap (when you have a 150€ monthly salary), and sleeping near a noisy desktop is not so nice..
The problem with the power button is that it's not so close, and no confirmation dialog appear when it's pressed.
George
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:58:52 AM UTC
Win + X rulez!
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:40:38 PM UTC
Very good article, will help a lot those who move to Win 8.

Now, vs Win 7:

Keyboard accelerators: already exist in Win 7, nothing new there, plus they are optional in Win 7

Task Manager: you can enable additional columns including Disk IO and many more in Win 7. Just takes a power user to do that, props to MS for bringing it to the average user.

More tiles on the desktop? is the same as having many shortcuts in Win 7, nothing new.

More details on file transfer? Nice addition but not essential except from very special cases.

Over all, not enough reasons to go through the trouble of upgrading to a new OS that mainly involves an unproductive learning curve, but that's just me... here are my personal thoughts on the new OS for anyone interested.

Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:22:05 PM UTC
I wonder if there's any support (mac-like) for huge resolution displays? I'm talking about making "older" (72dpi) apps look decent on a 200-300dpi displays that will probably become available shortly.
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 9:07:30 PM UTC
It wouldn't have been difficult to just give the option to use either the metro screen or normal desktop...

You wouldn't even have to celebrate the option...You could have tucked the dirty little option away somewhere in the same fashion as XP got tucked away in the boot menu when Vista came out ala "older (or was it other?) operating system" not that I wasn't glad to move away from xp, but it was the pariahical fashion in which it was done that sucked.

The Metro screen serves little to no purpose for me as a developer, (at least until I write some apps), at the moment it's like a subliminal Andy Warhol graphic that keeps flashing in and out of my life as I try to get something done.

The performance enhancements are really solid, but you could have avoided all this backlash (that will come - it might not be bad enough to induce another Mojave - but it will come...) by just providing an option for all the devs.....*sigh*

@James - the host runs in the hypervisor as it does in server 2008 r2.

p.s. If you're not using sysinternals procexp as a task manager replacement then you know Mark will strike you down, all the way from the Azure building...

I've relegated "newer operating system" to a vhd along with VS2012 so I can choose when to endure it for the time being at least.

Oh while i'm on VS2012 - can you load the largest project you've got and then scroll up and down the solution explorer a bit? I can't see the wood for the trees, the icons and colour scheme are dire - it's making life a bit painful to be honest, I know someone will come out with an add in that replaces it, but the native view is just bad bad bad.
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:05:09 AM UTC
Does Microsoft support Windows 7 N Ultimate to Windows 8 N Pro upgrade? The docs imply it is supported and @scott says a non-N upgrade worked fine.

But all I get are the "Keep Personal Files Only" and "Nothing" options. I don't see the options to keep apps and settings.
RichB
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:36:54 AM UTC
RichB - Have you moved your C:\users\ or profile to another location?
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:39:20 AM UTC
@scott - No. It's a standard Windows 7 N Ultimate which has only really ever had VS2010 and VS2012 installed (it's a virtual instance)
RichB
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:07:22 PM UTC
Have been using the Win 8 release preview for a couple months now and just moved my wife's computer to Win 8. I really like Win 8 (on the desktop, and looking forward to the surface tablet), but I find myself often saying to my wife "oh, you need to open that site in the desktop version of IE because plug-ins don't work in the metro version" when she runs a flash-based site (which is often). Of course, I then think, "why did I have to tell her that? She doesn't know what a plug-in is, and doesn't care about the reason why flash doesn't work in the metro browser."

I can get along just fine in Win 8, but I'm afraid the average user is going to throw their hands up in frustration when they think they can do something but realize after they get into it that they have to go to the "other version." Haven't yet installed the RTM version, so hopefully some things are better.
Tim
Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:59:34 AM UTC
Hey, Scott!

Did you find any shortcut to pop up the Networking charm? My current solution is [ Win+I End Up Up Return ], but it would be really nice if a faster combo existed.
Tom
Saturday, September 01, 2012 3:15:51 PM UTC
rundll32.exe powrprof.dll,SetSuspendState 0,1,0

On all of my Windows 8 machines, this command will hibernate the box, not sleep it. Does anyone know the correct command to sleep (without disabling hibernate on the box)?

And to all those "just close the lid or press the button" folks the laptop is docked and out of the way.
Monday, September 03, 2012 11:33:28 AM UTC
I really like the new file transfer progress bar, it looks so useful. I even went and wrote a WPF control to simulate it as I can see a number of potential uses for it.

http://wrightdev.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/wpf-ratebar/
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:20:59 AM UTC
My #1 question about Win8. Is it now possible to install windows on an SSD disk and have windows put the temp file directory (and all other crazy stuff it needs) on actually some other huge disk on my box, without sacrificing newborn babies to Khali Ma the destructor and then end up in the well of souls?
Mathias
Tuesday, September 04, 2012 3:51:08 PM UTC
I have no "Show More Tiles" option. Only show admin... maybe I don't have enough tiles to be "show more"-worthy.

Win+Q = My new launcher.
Eric
Friday, September 07, 2012 5:28:19 AM UTC
This is great stuff, Scott.

Yesterday I was setting up a new VM with Win2k12 and VS2012 for development and I discovered that the default GUI on login is reversed in Win2k12 vis Win8. Unless you install "Desktop Experience", Windows Server (non-core) logs in directly to the Desktop. Furthermore, unlike with Windows Server 2008 R2, the Desktop Experience isn't needed to run a full experience Theme but you do need Dekstop experience to select and configure a theme. You can install Desktop Experience, configure a theme and then uninstall Desktop Experience and your theme settings will be retained.

"Desktop Experience" in Win2k12 seems to be largely about the theme manager GUI, Flash and Metro being the default environment at login.
Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:54:18 PM UTC
I found the Start Menu in Windows 8! (Sort of.)

C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

At least this looks like the place most shortcuts get placed when you install applications. I like to copy the ones that I use frequently to my own toolbars on the task bar, and sometimes I like to go here because I know where to find something that I don't use very often.

Maybe as I get more accustomed to the new ways of doing things, I won't need this, but for now it is useful.
Thomas
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 6:11:20 AM UTC
That's a hell of a lot of keystrokes to properly use a touchscreen-designed OS.
Steve Paget
Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:00:40 PM UTC
Steve Paget - Most people don't have touchscreens. If I had a touchscreen I wouldn't need them. ;)
Friday, September 28, 2012 9:44:34 PM UTC
You anti-mouse guys crack me. I fail to see why using shortcuts are more productive. As a sysadmin for the military, I have enough policies and procedures to memorize as it is without having to know that WindowsKey-X gives me the new power menu. I can reach it just as easily by right-clicking in the lower left-corner. Oh but your way is faster you say? That's your opinion. I'm pretty quick with a mouse. Or trackpad. Or touchscreen. And I have room in my head for things that actually matter because I'm not wasting time memorizing silly key combinations that change with every major OS release.
WaveRunnr
Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:27:08 PM UTC
The "Win+X" tip maybe the best pointer I've read on Windows 8. My main beef with Windows 8 is that some of the things I use are more clicks and mouse movement away than before.

That said, A few of these pointers/hot keys really do help bridge that gap so thanks for sharing those, it's much appreciated.

I love the Metro interface on my WP7 phone. I'm not there yet on the Desktop with a mouse and a keyboard but I'm going to give it a few more weeks to get used to it before passing judgement.
Blake
Monday, October 15, 2012 4:40:38 PM UTC
Kudos to the author Scott. Your disclaimer in the beginning told me that you're just a guy with an honest opinion and not a paid actor ... I could actually read your article and TRUST it to be unbiased. In a world full of fanboys and propeganda pumping corporations, it was a pleasure to read your point of view as an actual user. Thank you.

I do like the idea of keyboard shortcuts in Win8 as I've been trying to lose my mouse for years. The display's main "tiled" screen will take a little bit of getting used to, but that's just me playing the role of "Hem & Haw" and not liking my cheese moved around. I will adapt eventually, but not before I complain first about having to do it :)

Jeff
Monday, October 15, 2012 4:53:34 PM UTC
First off I have to say this is all great information. One would think that the developers would have all this information, and have this posted on Microsoft's own website to help their own customers.

What scares me more than anything with this OS is that it is such a difference from any previous Microsoft OS and they are not doing much of anything to help their own customers learn it.

As you noted in your first paragraph, this information is from your own use, your own troubleshooting, and your own wrestling with this OS. You saw the problems that every user is going to face, regardless of their tech level and felt the need to put this information out there to help others!

Why is the manufacturer doing so little? They want to make this huge change and just expect their customers who are going to spend their hard earned money AND have to learn it on their own.
Mattman
Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:40:02 AM UTC
The main culprit in Windows 8 is not modern UI or however you call it, but legacy support. And it's been so for the last X versions. And with every new version this legacy app support will become more and more glaring. That is the only reason why there is desktop on Windows 8. Legacy support.

Think of Windows Phone 7+ that practically uses the same modern UI but doesn't care about legacy. Does that UI work? Hell yeah! I'm an Android user myself but I personally think that best mobile UI is actually this modern UI. On touch devices that is of course...

Now when you get to a desktop and start using Windows 8 this mixture of legacy and modern UI becomes a highly distracting feature. Windows RT would be a good candidate where Microsoft should simply ditch desktop but without it users wouldn't have too many apps at their disposal. And so desktop stays there too afaik.

This mixture between desktop and modern UI shows us two things:

1. that humans are hard at adopting to radical change and try to fight it as much as possible and

2. more importantly and I hope you'll agree with me regardless how much of an evangelist for Windows 8 you are, I think that usability of each part in Windows 8 is fine but usability of the mix is simply appalling. And when I say usability of the desktop I'm not directly referring to Windows 8 desktop at its current state but rather Windows 7 because they're similar, but on the newer version particular parts have been stripped out to make the mixture seemingly work. And these stripped out features make it a worse usability UI.

One bigger question is Windows Server 2012 and modern UI

As I hear modern UI will become part of Server as well and this my friend is a total nonsense. Why? Servers are rarely physically accessed and having something like modern UI start screen on a server where applications that aren't in front are actually paused, doesn't make any sense at all. Unless modern UI is only used to start desktop applications. A kind of Start menu replacement or even better think of it as a programs group in Windows 3.1. In that case this is not a modern UI anymore but just a desktop app launcher. Apart from that any modern UI app is stupid to have on a server machine.
Monday, October 22, 2012 5:35:54 AM UTC
Nice and comprehensive summary of the important features of Windows 8. However I have to agree with some people that by moving the Start menu, Microsoft seems to have given us more cause for consternation rather than relaxation. I don't mind the new and improved features but the Metro Look looks 'orrible on a non-touch screen monitor. There should be an option to turn off the Metro interface and go back to Win 7 UI without compromising on the other good stuff.
Venu Kuruganti
Friday, October 26, 2012 4:00:10 AM UTC
I am pretty far from an MS hater, and I am the really odd sort of person that actually enjoys learning user interfaces. I don't mind fairly radical departures (like gnome3), and I am totally willing to cut people slack on a v1 (I used vista and thought it was a huge improvement over xp)

All that being said, Windows 8 lasted a total of 3 hours on my machine. It boggles my mind that this actually got released for the desktop, and I have a hard time believing MS won't dramatically adjust the way it currently works (or pump out win9 in record speed)

1) I do not want to constantly be moving my mouse from one end of my 37" monitors to the other. Designing an interface for the mouse that expects that is madness.

2) When I scroll the mouse wheel up and down, I expect the thing I am scrolling to move up and down. Horizontal scrolling is one of the worst interactions you can introduce for mice (even though it works great for touch). Since the majority of people buying windows 8 will actually have mice and not track pads, It seems kind of redicules to design everything around a concept that will result in an irritating experience to them. I got used to apple natural scrolling in about 30 mins, while I could get used to this, I don't think I could ever like it

3) Even if I get comfortable with modern apps, I don't think there is anything that could be more jarring then rapidly switching between the modern ui and the desktop. And that is something that will never go away, since there isn't even a vague attempt to integrate the two concepts. Not only that, this is a problem that will never leave us, since modern is completely inappropriate for many, many things.

I wanted to like windows 8. I think the aesthetic is beautiful, and love to try radical, new things. Windows 8 convinced me surface is a really great thing, but holy crap it sucks for a desktop OS.
Friday, November 02, 2012 9:55:08 PM UTC
Well I now have Windows 8 Professional installed in virtual box, and I'm still not impressed. Yes, I can run programs, surf the net, any one thing at a time. If a program is not a Windows 8 Native program then it runs on the desktop, and if it does have a Win 8 tie in, then bam I'm off the desktop and it goes full screen whether I want it to or not. It took me half an hour to find the settings in the mail app, after it was working... Unlike the phones, where the setting are in "settings" for all programs, in this case I have to be in the program, then find the correct charm to get into settings....

Microsoft acknowledges that different computing environments have different UI needs, look at Windows Server 2008 vs Windows 7. Why they felt that the PC and tablet need the same interface is beyond me. But my biggest problem is that the missing tie ins for touch or mouse clicks within the program, such as getting to the charm settings I have to go to a specific corner and bring up a menu, instead of simply a gear icon at least, much less a settings button or area.

Mattman
Mattman
Saturday, November 03, 2012 6:36:36 PM UTC
The new Start screen is great - if you don't want your desktop or laptop to have any more functionality than an iPhone. Otherwise it's stupid and best dispensed with in favor of the old desktop. Any new features can be better implemented on the desktop.
skeptonomist
Monday, November 05, 2012 12:18:49 AM UTC
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Can you recommend a good internet hosting provider at a fair price?
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Friday, November 09, 2012 8:35:58 PM UTC
I found that installing Hyper-V causes the Windows 8 Netflix application to stop functioning. That's a real bummer since I want to develop Windows Phone 8 apps and the WP8 emulator requires Hyper-V.

At least Netflix still works in the Desktop browsers no matter what.
Patrick
Friday, November 09, 2012 9:13:13 PM UTC
Patrick - Hm, I'm not seeing that. Can you be more specific?
Friday, November 09, 2012 9:30:12 PM UTC
Scott - I get this error:
System Configuration Problem

There is a problem playing video on this system. This may be caused by any of the following:

1. Netflix is not supported in virtual machines.
2. New graphics drivers may be required. Please use Windows Update or your graphics card manufacturer's web site to obtain a graphics driver that is certified for Windows 8.

Specifically, the following graphics drivers are known to cause this problem:

- Microsoft Basic Display Adapter
- Apple Boot Camp graphics drivers

If you need assistance with this problem, please call 866-579-7113

Error code: W8156-C0262500


I found someone else on another blog (that I cannot remember at the moment) that had the same problem and discovered that uninstalling Hyper-V fixed the problem. I have tried uninstalling it and Netflix starts to work again. Re-installing Hyper-V causes Netflix to show this error.
Patrick
Monday, November 12, 2012 2:40:54 PM UTC
Ugh. I love the WinKey+X feature, but I have done SOMETHING--I don't know what--that has glitched that menu out of existence on my computer. I try to access it and the windows that are up just flash...as if the menu is appearing and instantly disappearing again. No amount of restarting has fixed it, and I'm so peeved.

I'll probably end up pinning some of those utilities to the start panel and be done with it that way.
HJK
Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:51:58 PM UTC
As someone not a power user, armed only with the mighty mouse, I love, love windows 8. It is faster and smoother and gives more information. The Taskbar is less scary than even in win7.
I had to learn the new way but it did not take long and I am not a techhead.
I just rearranged the tiles on start menu so that when windows start the programs I use daily are at the very front and the more important ones are pinned top the task bar. No moving the mouse over a long distance everyday.
Once in the desktop using is not difficult. Again, as an ordinary user who never messes with commandprompts and registry, I am not missing playing round with the OS innards.

Metro interface is horrible but MS never had any taste. But I am on the desktop all day so it doesnot matter very much.

I am going to upgrade while the price is cheap.
ordinary user
Friday, November 16, 2012 11:48:08 AM UTC
Excellent Tips! This will really help witht the power user features required by us developers! Greap post.
Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:57:58 PM UTC
I'm not exactly sure how I did this but somehow I can no longer drag my programs off the screen and they close. All it does now is basically minimize the program. I also cannot drag a program to the side of my screen, where I can have two programs running at once. I must have accidently set something where it cannot do that anymore! But id like to be able to do that again!!

Help Please!
Christina
Friday, November 30, 2012 6:13:36 AM UTC
I really enjoyed this article. Sure the learning curve had its share of annoyances but those eventually faded away. The problem is that we are all looking through the Windows 8 transition through our nostalgic goggles. The computer is no longer what it used to be. We used to have all our applications and content downloaded on our hard drives. Our desktop was filled with shortcuts and files. Eventually the browser was no longer a tool to surf the internet but a tool to get access to all your applications.

Netflix, Facebook, Pandora, all of these are running inside of your web browser. Most of these require you install a plug in of some sort putting more and more weight onto the browser itself. Lets say you were listening to a song on Pandora and browsing through Facebook and Twitter. You have dozens of tabs open and suddenly your browser crashes. Well, recently browsers have gotten auto recovery. But that doesn't extend to the web apps. You don't start listening to where you left off. Sure, a Pandora app could still crash, but at least it's not taking everything along with it.

I don't think Windows 8 is perfect. I wish we had dual screen metro apps. I wish the taskbar colour was independent of the window border.

Remember, we aren't like most people. Most people just use their computers as $600 dollar browser launchers.
Matt
Wednesday, December 05, 2012 2:04:32 PM UTC
I just reverted to Windows 7 after a month of Windows 8.
I have never done that before. Never ever have I gone back to a previous version of windows after upgrading. (Disclamer: I never installed Win ME in the first place. Went directly from Win 98SE to Win 2k.)
Thing is, that even with Windows Vista that had issues, none of them where deal breakers taht did not have a decent work around.

In the end it was not the new (on the desktop useless and unfitting) Metro GUI that did it. No, I could deal with that. Hate it? Sure! But it was not a deal breaker. The bugs were though. Remote desktop crashed on me all the time (Max. 3 minutes when connection to Win 7 or Win 2k8 R2 servers.). Do a few copy jobs and browse around files at the same time? Explorer crash. Open the mail app to soon and you cant access all your mail accounts. Etc..

I can deal with having to learn new ways of doing stuff, if I get something in return. In this case though Metro Apps on the desktop offers no productivity gain on the desktop (at best, at worst it reduces productivity). But when stability went down it got to the point where I just ahd to draw the line.

I hope that MS realise that touch device interfaces and mouse driven interfaces are just to different to mix in a meaningfull way, and give us a Win 8 or 9 for the desktop. Do it along with a SP1 for Win8 and i'll give it another go. Fortunately I got Windows 7, which will do nicely for the next few years if not.
Hans Torm
Thursday, December 06, 2012 9:31:47 PM UTC
It's got to be a mistake of greed. Someone in a MS boardroom decided that the Apple/Android strategy was going to be to make the interfaces universal across devices so that they can convert their desktop users to mobile users. I don't think they took into account the possibility that they might sour and lose the desktop users instead.

If they had users in mind, it would have taken no more than a single install/cpanel preference for touch/non-touch that set the default initial interface and enabled the Start menu and Metro apps running in re-sizable windows for the desktop users.
Bill Reid
Saturday, December 08, 2012 2:48:30 AM UTC
@Hans Torm: There's got to be something else causing all your problems....

I'm not sure what you mean by "Remote Desktop," but I do log in to a Windows 7 Enterprise PC 5000 miles away on a daily basis through Remote Web Workplace (Windows Small Business Server 2008) - no issues at all, and just a tad faster than when accessing from a Windows 7 Ultimate PC.

I've been copying, moving, and rearranging files since the upgrade (32-bit to 64-bit so no in-place upgrade), all while extracting .zip files and listening to .mp3s stored on the same drive, with no issues. Explorer has not crashed once through all this.

Mail app? Don't use Metro apps. Use a webmail service (like GMail), or if you must use POP3 (or similar) mail, get an old (and therefore cheap) version of MS Outlook. Hell, you could probably get away with Thunderbird.

-George
George
Saturday, December 08, 2012 6:18:30 AM UTC
Thank you, Scott, for this blog post! I started using a Windows 8 laptop this week, and the first two days my frustration level was high. In regards to productivity, it was the same frustration experienced when Office 2005 was released. I've only read through a third of your post so far and already I'm feeling more at ease about getting things done.

Thanks again for the great post!

C. Davis
C. Davis
Tuesday, December 11, 2012 8:56:24 AM UTC
From my view, Win 8 + start button utility makes for a fast Win 7 using the standard desktop. Can't see much, if any use for the new MS desktop unless you want to buy something. Touchscreen OS is only useful on small devices where one is working within half an arms length. Otherwise, not physically convenient and potential of chronic injury looms (think of touchscreen desktop at full arms length to get picture of problem). The Windows key suggestions are helpful, especially for me those that work off the standard desktop, such as Win-X (though I wish default programs was included).

One big Win 8 annoyance is how stingy MS is with administrator rights. I use XYplorer as file manager and frequently either have to restart it to run as admin or unhook it temporarily as default manager to use Win Explorer, which remains stuck in the 1980s. Even then, sometimes Admin rights blocked for no good reason. In fact, I just had a case where they were blocked from full Admin user.
highstream
Sunday, December 16, 2012 3:34:41 AM UTC
Wow. All I can say is Wow.

I've been using win8 for almost 2 months now, and thought I'd sussed the tricks out as far as I could, without actually having to re-learn how to use a desktop or re-learn how to do things entirely.

I managed to get everything sorted. And then I read this.

It's like I was going over the OS brand new once more. Simplicity in your tips. I knew most of them, but some just .. how did I miss!! lol. Groovy stuff.

I think the actual mechanical tweaks in win8 outweight the cosmetic appearance disfavor the general xp/7 crew have against it. I was one. I tried it to get over it. I did. As it is, I could go back to win7. But I'd miss the actual upgrades in 8. And sure it's still got issues. It's still microsoft after all. lmao.
Damo
Monday, December 17, 2012 4:47:22 PM UTC
After using Windows 8 for a longer period one thing that greatly annoys me is that whenever the start menu takes over the whole screen, it freezes some apps (like Netflix). Even if I have Netflix snapped to a third of the screen invoking the Start Screen freezes it. I like to work while half watching/listening to Netflix and it's undesirable that every time I need to use the Start Screen that is pauses every other Metro app.

It would be cool if the Start Screen just rendered itself in the renaming 2/3's of the screen leaving my pinned app running (which could just as easily be a music app). I also didn't realize how often I type something into the indexing finder from another Window (which, when the Start Screen takes over 100% of the real estate it means that I can't see that other window to type from it). There are a lot of these nuances that I never thought about in the past until they became an issue.

My current solution is on the immediate issue is, use a desktop browser that doesn't carry this limitation.
John
Sunday, December 23, 2012 6:47:18 PM UTC
I wise I could find away to share my iCloud calendar with the Windows 8 Cal.. be cool to go back from Win 8 into a mac and have the same data.
rob
Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:12:41 AM UTC
Issue with Windows 8 is not just Start button. Windows 8 "forces" full screen upon its users. Users should in control of the OS, and not the other way around. Users should have the option to toggle this full screen abomination. This lack of chrome is clearly and issue when developing business app vs game development. The lack of status info in the status bar or at the top of the screen is an issue. View the current date time, wireless signal strength, etc. is a must for any mobile platform. User should not be force swipe to display the time just to view the time. Horizontal scrolling within app is an issue, especially with mouse. Since the invention of computer, contents have been scrolling top to bottom...now MS wants to re-invent content scrolling in the name of Metro. The charm context search with an app is confusing. Each app should have it's own button. Metro IE 10 is broken. Why should a user perform 2 steps just to change tab if the tabs should be all visible by default. Same with most Metro app...menus are hidden with the app bar and users have to swipe up or right click just to display menu that should be visible by default. The bottom line...if Windows 8 was a very good OS, MS wouldn't even have to do an marketing...word of mouth would sell this OS. No amount of marketing dollar will sell a bad OS

JamesB
Monday, January 14, 2013 3:33:51 AM UTC
Thanks Scott. I've shared this page with everyone I know. I find most people like the new look and feel, they just need a little help navigating it and taking advantage of all Windows 8 has to offer.

Great post as always. Thanks again. Richard
Richard
Friday, January 18, 2013 5:42:20 PM UTC
All very well but not everyone wants to remember zillions of specialist short cuts from the Windows key. Some want intuitive clear information on the screen. Also some degree of consistency between OS versions would be a good idea. There was NO NEED whatsoever to remote the start options from the desktop...

It's rather like driving a car really. Imagine if Microsoft made cars... And decided that the gas and brake pedals should be moved around....

shaub
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:10:34 PM UTC
We just got our first Win8 Pc. I found most of the negative remarks on this thread to be true.

-Metro (full screen startup menu) should be optional
-Scrolling from left to right and back in the startmenu is a pain in the....wrist. Typing, is, required. "Everything at once", well, not quite!
-The users will be lost, in Win7 they point at what they want and click it. Now in Win8 you are supposed to type what you want (DOS anyone?). Yes you can find it by clicking but an average user will spend hours trying to find the same items by clicking.
-No start button bottom left ? More user confusion. We were just getting used to "press start to (stop) shut down" after 20 years of a start-button in the bottom left.

An interface like this is nice for a public computer in a library somewhere, but not for people who actually need to work. Why social media access by default ? Why multimedia ? Why that annoying movie intro at the creation of every user? Why a required mail address to base your whole windows profile on ? Most of these "features" are utterly useless on a PC which is supposed to be used for work.

Please tell me we can copy-paste these Metro-menu profiles so we don't have to deactivate all these useless features every time we install a new computer ? ? ?




John
Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:34:34 PM UTC
This is what Coreinfo tells me:

Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5440 @ 2.83GHz
Intel64 Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 6, GenuineIntel
HYPERVISOR - Hypervisor is present
VMX * Supports Intel hardware-assisted virtualization
EPT - Supports Intel extended page tables (SLAT)

But Windows features does not let me enable the Hyper-V Platform, with the hint:

Hyper-V cannot be installed: the processor does not have Second Level Address Translation (SLAT) capabilities.

Apparently the processor supports it, but the BIOS does not, could that be the reason?
Ben Geerdes
Monday, January 28, 2013 10:09:28 AM UTC
So everyone has to put a list of shortcuts on their wall to use Windows 8? Massive progress guys....
JoJo
Monday, February 04, 2013 10:33:54 PM UTC
This is a great review. But, rather than changing everything around, I'd love to have seen some real improvements. After almost 20 years of getting people used to the start button, to dump it unceremoniously seems a bit odd.

Seriously, this is a great overview of Win8. You have done a phenomenal piece. It's just all the improvements to be found are of borderline utility, and pretty much eye candy. "live tiles" and combined "social media" go with my "hunting accordian" and "inflatable dartboard."

So. What's the buzz on windows 9? Will it save the day, or is Microsoft the new Novell?

Dan
Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:50:04 PM UTC
So the UI is such a disaster on the PC, a reliance on keyboard shortcuts is essential?
Bjamin
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:40:51 PM UTC
Keyboard shortcuts have ALWAYS been essential. If you don't use/know them you are not efficiently working. A lot of things shown above were available in windows 7 as well. If you needed a start menu to complicate the way you get to things, maybe you should switch to mac... You will love the finder. Then again if you use a mac without its crazy shortcuts you probably don't belong in the category of "power user" either...

Every normal user we have set up with windows 8 loves it. And all the complaints we get are about software issues with 3rd parties. No problems on the OS level.

Mike
Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:16:33 PM UTC
Why are Microsoft apps still desktop version? What is Microsoft's vision of accessing, say, the snipping tool? My impression was that they left the desktop in Windows 8 only to allow us to transition to the new style, but don't actually deem it necessary?
Ben Schwartz
Friday, March 08, 2013 11:07:40 PM UTC
I HATE windows 8..I want my start option back..I use the search all the time and I can't find anything on this piece of junk..I am NOT a technical person and I like things kept simple..these tiles etc are rubbish that I can find no use for and it's a pain having to go through them to get to the desktop..I like to log in and there be the desktop without this other rubbish...only bought this laptop yesterday and it looks like I'll be heading off in the next day or 2 to buy a new computer with WINDOWS 7
Judie
Saturday, March 30, 2013 5:52:16 PM UTC
@Judie and all who miss the classic Win7 menu (I even missed the classic Win2K menu in fact :-) - let's use and configure your own start menu from Classic Shell. I tested it immediatelly in developer preview, where it was little-bit unwelcomed, but since release preview and now in final version its OK and you can combine features form Win2K menu layout with vista-search, having it alphablended over desktop etc... And new Start screen is still accessible and usefull - I can imagine it even in enterprise environments as dashboard with lot of active tiles from "only allowed" LOB apps or so. Windows 8 IS GREAT :-) ... Installed 64bit yesterday on AMD C60/8GB RAM netbook + then immediatelly full VS2012, no problems at all :-)
Petr Antos
Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:52:52 AM UTC
"Here's another crazy idea for shutting down your PC or Laptop - Press the Power Button."
Be thankful Vista and later requires ACPI to boot, because it is what guarantees this support.
Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:12:09 PM UTC
Lots of anecdotal evidence here but the facts are that Windows 8 is poorly reviewed by users when compared to Windows 7.

That's a fact along with Surface sales below expectations.

The Sinofsky plan to use the desktop to help Microsoft get into the tablet market has failed.

Millions of people are avoiding Windows 8 because of negative reviews and those losses will never be made up from tablet sales.

The critics were right about Windows 8 and Metro from day 1. You can go back to the Sinofsky blog and read all the comments from people like myself that predicted this would happen.

Oh and Hansel I will let your defense of Windows 8 slide since I think you are one of the better execs at MS.
Ben C.
Friday, May 17, 2013 7:06:26 AM UTC
First of all, let Microsoft themselves speak about what they thought a good UI should be like. Suzanne Hansen, a product manager at Microsoft, explains:

——

While the Visual Studio 2010 visual appearance is unique, it does follow the Microsoft Windows UX guidelines. Microsoft does not use one standard visual appearance for all its products for multiple reasons, including:

* Not every product has the same users and therefore the same UI is not appropriate everywhere
* Microsoft has such a wide range of products, it would be impossible to do one visual appearance that is a “one size fits all.” For example, it would be virtually impossible to use a single UI design for Zune, XBox, Visual Studio and Bing.
* Different visual appearance of different products helps differentiate/brand them.
* Having a single UI appearance would not give individual products flexibility to evolve as needed in response to trends, customer and business needs.

Thank you, Suzanne Hansen, Program Manager, Visual Studio Platform Shell Team
[...]
——-

Suzanne explains here why Visual Studio 2010 has a different look and feel than Windows. And the explanations make perfect sense! (unlike the stuff they tout out with Windows 8) But isn’t this the complete opposite from the current Windows 8 design philosophy? And yet, this was Microsoft’s credo just two-three years ago! How is it possible to trust in Microsoft’s Windows 8 vision, when they were able to flip their own philosophy completely on its head within such a short timespan?

Windows 8 is clearly a “one size fits all” rush-job that was driven in a dictatorial fashion by its main-overseer at Microsoft, Steven Sinofsky (the man “left” the company shortly after the Win8 debute. Signs and wonders). Countless of people have raised their voices on the official Windows 8 blog when the OS was in development, yet the dev team and Sinofsky have demonstratively ignored the highly technical issues that were brought up and only answered the simplistic ones. it went something like this:


Sinofsky’s Blog
user 1: Hi there! I like Windows 8.
user 2: You said Aero shouldn’t be in Windows 8 because it harms battery life, but that doesn’t make sense because Aero can be turned off when the computer is on battery. It actually wasn’t long ago that Microsoft was defending Aero as having minimal impact on battery life. Are you now going to claim that Microsoft was wrong? In fact I have multiple links showing specific benchmarks that Aero only uses 1-4% when on and…..
user 3: Will Windows 8 have a Twitter app?
Sinofsky: That’s a great question that I’d be happy to answer. Yes Windows 8 will have a Twitter app.
(week later user 2 comment is gone)

(Quoted from the blog “Techbroil“)

I was reading the W8 blog regularly, it was EXACTLY like this.

But let’s concentrate on the product itself – Windows 8 has a new programming interface, called WinRT, and a new GUI, formerly called Metro. What’s the problem with WinRT and Metro? Here’s the list:

1. The desktop has multiple windows, Metro has not.

2. Desktop programs can be resized, Metro apps cannot.

3. The desktop has drag and drop between applications, Metro has not. Instead of just selecting the items you want to export and actually move them into the other program, you need to handle with “charms” which comes across far more unintuitive than just dragging and dropping.

4. The desktop has nearly unlimited multi-tasking abilities, Metro has not.

5. Metro apps are far more limited in scope, by design, than desktop programs.

6. Desktop programs have depth and 3D, Metro apps on the other hand seem to be approved by the Flat Earth Society.

7. Desktop programs are usually more colorful and vibrant, the Metro design principle consists of CGA style mono-color.

8. You can open up other programs in the desktop, through the start menu, without disrupting workflow. On the other hand the start screen is something like the “item menu” in games where you dress up your character with weapons etc. Everyone knows that it is quite distracting switching between item menu and game world in games, and Microsoft brought this concept onto its flag ship product! Hooray.

9. Desktop programs can be easily distributed, Metro desktops are locked-in into the store.

If an alien would just land on our planet and see Windows 7 and Windows 8 (and its programs) for the first time, without no prior knowledge, he would think Windows 7 is the successor, not 8. And that’s just the problem of the WinRT part. The fact is that Win8 has multiple control panels and update mechanisms and is a duality monster. Win8 apologists in all seriousness propose arcane keyboard shortcuts as solution for some of the glaring problems, where previous versions worked just fine without using them. Also the Metro start screen offers absolutely no indication that it is searchable, yet it is. It’s full of little news items and ad-like graphics. It resembles something like cnn.com, only that CNN HAS a search box! Would you “just start typing” at cnn.com, if the site had no visible search box?

So, fine. Use ONLY the desktop then! But here’s the catch, and the reason for all this negativity – Microsoft put away the start button. If you click on the hidden start button, you’re back to the Metro interface. It’s a jarring experience. They want you to force going Metro, yet the whole Metro and WinRT experience is so limited and smart phoney, it’s just insane to use it on a screen bigger than a tablet. No one, and I mean NO ONE was able to tell me what the heck the benefit of the start screen is for desktop and laptop users or why the Metro apps are this castrated (the mail app can’t handle the most common mail protocol IN THE WORLD!), yet MS forces you to use them (the default image/video/music viewers/players are awkward Metro apps in W8.. even in desktop mode! They look as if they consist of one single code line). The explanations only come to “newer mobile devices have something like that, so.. eh.. and you will get used to it!”.. And that’s pretty much it. That’s not a compelling argument to warrant such a hassle.

Oh, and did you know that for multiple users Windows 8 is just arsed? The “All Programs” system is bonkered in Windows 8. Let me explain: If installers (of Win32 programs) put links into the C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs folder, they ARE NOT GLOBAL. Not really that is. The link appears in the start screen for the user who installed the program, but all other users don’t see it. It’s only visible for them if they right-click and chose the “All Apps” screen (yes, IT’S HIDDEN ON DEFAULT!)

Windows Vista and 7 didn’t highlight newly installed programs in the start menu for other users as well, but the “All Programs” submenu-button wasn’t hidden, so it wasn’t such an issue like with W8.

Oh, and let’s also not forget that W8 Metro “apps” need to be installed per user, undeleted per user and updated per user. Just try it out: Install the updates of all the default apps through the appstore, create another account on the computer and log-in to the app-store. What do you see? You need to install the updates for that user as well! Trying to manage this for multiple users is hell! At the moment, the only reasonable tactic if you have multiple users and you want to use them apps is to let them use ONE account only and lock that one down with scripts etc. BACK TO DOS, BABY

And it’s not only about the metro-menu and all the headache that brings, it’s the whole approach. For example the darn “apps” themselves: How hard could it have been to include a “Pro mode” (with scary “You’re on your own now!” warnings if needed) or something like that which would allow sideloading? They could still have their store and still make the enthusiasts and “Pros” happy. It would have been easy to make the Metro-Notro-Win8stylestoreapps-whatever more appealing to the laptop and desktop users. How about more features availble the bigger the screen is? “Windows has detected you have a 24 inch screen, multi-tasking and windowing of Metro apps is enabled now”. Stuff like that wouldn’t be too hard, freeware like Bluestacks does it! But no, Microsoft has chosen the most limiting and existing-customers-repulsing way possible. That is why there are complaints and bad feeling all around. That’s where the “walled garden” and “dictatorial” accusations come from. MS was a quite comfortable choice between the strict Apple- and the free-for-all linux world, pretty much the golden middle, now they are doing their darndest to change themselves into a totally redundant MicroApple and this generates ill felings. The many game developers were annoyed for good reasons IMHO. And let’s not start on the limitations of the metro apps.. Oh sure, they aren’t forcing metro down on you, except they do:

Now let’s forget the start screen, just open up an audio file on the desktop.. BAM – You’re on a full screen monstrosity, with “parental advisory” graphics from obscene rap album covers and stuff like that. With no obvious way to get out of it. PROGRESS. They wanted to simplify Windows 8. That’s why instead of clicking on an easy to spot bright red X, (that’s faaar to power user for the common idiot to understand) you need to “grab” the application by its invisible head and drag it down the drain so that it can disappear. And if you managed to close it, you’re back on the metro screen instead of the desktop (where you started). Just fabulous! So just playing a darn audio file means switching through completely different GUI environments and playing a mini-adventure. Same is happening when you open up pictures and movie files. Yes, that’s what I call a great user experience right there. Then there’s the DVD codec issue and WMP not playing them even if you have the codecs installed, mail apps that can’t handle common protocols.. No one is going to change their provider just because subpar OS update decided it wants to out-hipster the whole world.

Sure, you can hack-around to link WMP back to the files etc. but shouldn’t an “upgrade” make stuff.. you know, better?! How’s stuff like that a good default experience? In the first beta versions, the welcome screen could not be clicked away. You had to drag it away with the mouse! Totally insane. That’s one of the very few things they have fixed, but the fact that something like that made it into an alpha version, yet alone beta, makes it clear what kind of carelessness the “design” of Win8 truly was/is. I am pretty sure the main reason the server got metro too is to prevent “power users” running Server 2012 as a desktop replacement.

All that is just NOT comparable to the previous versions. Never before were there such regressions in usability of Windows and “feel” of the company.

Then there’s the whole subplot about their handling of developers and the whole Silverlight affair to promote the W8 craplets – killing SL just when it was going strong as LOB tool. The amount of badwil they have created with this OS among their (former) allies, devs and supporters is just staggering.

Steve Ballmer compared Windows 8 multiple times to Windows 95, yet the comparison doesn’t hold water in the slightest.

Windows 8 is the anti-95.
Win32 programs didn’t gave you the feeling that something is amiss compared to Win 3.1 applications. (with Metro you have this feeling constantly). Even the first generation Win95 programs at launch felt more capable than their 3.1 precursors (Corel Draw 6, Office 95). Notro provides the complete opposite feeling.

Windows 95 came with uncrippled winfile.exe and progman.exe (the win 3.1 GUI), and you were able to boot directly into it without even seeing 95′s explorer.exe at all (“shell=progman.exe” in system.ini). (works in win 98 too) There was even an official option at the Windows 95 setup for that if you upgraded from Win3.1.

You also were able to directly boot into DOS with ease (just set bootgui=0 in msdos.sys, that also worked in Win 98).

Windows 95 is the anti-thesis to Windows 8. The philosphies were completely different. The team had enough courage to provide all these options because it truly seemed as if they were proud and confident about the system to stand on its own. Windows 8 on the other hand comes across as coward’s darling – “the users are too stupid to appreciate our beautiful hippster GUI, let’s cripple the desktop as much as we can to force them to this”. Windows 95 didn’t need any crippling, users chosed explorer.exe because it was better, and they had the ability to use the old GUI without compromise If they wished to do so.

Windows 95 is confidence. Windows 8 is cowardice.
Formfiller
Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:23:04 PM UTC
Any chance you would issue this same post with revised instructions when the 8.1 update comes out? ....... JCM
JCM
Saturday, July 27, 2013 2:35:45 PM UTC
You mention only 3 SKUs Windows itself, Windows RT, & how about Windows Server 2012?
Thursday, September 05, 2013 2:02:37 PM UTC
To all the people that say knowing shortcuts shouldn't be the only way to use windows 8, it's not. Microsoft specifically said that Windows 8 was built for touch and even went the extra mile to provide an app in the store that has every single shortcut non-touch users can take advantage of. Windows 8 isn't a nightmare if you have a touch PC.
Dominic
Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:13:11 AM UTC
I'm sorry Scott, but telling someone to "just hold the power button down" is about the worst thing you can do. It's not good for a computer to do a hard shutdown like that unless something's really wrong. And besides, unless you hold the power button down for 10-15 seconds (or more, depending on the model), most laptops will just go to sleep. On a desktop, unless the machine has hung and you're hooped for other methods, just holding the power button isn't a good idea.

You listed some other great shortcuts, like Win+I to open the Settings Charm and reveal the power button, just stick with those.
Thursday, September 26, 2013 6:38:15 PM UTC
Anon - Respectfully, you are mistaken. I'm not saying "hold down the power button until you surprise the computer and HARD shut it down." I'm saying "tap power." Any machine made in the last 7 years has power management that will *gracefully* shut down...Windows hears that message from the power system and turns off EXACTLY as if you selected ShutDown from the Start Menu/Screen.
Monday, October 21, 2013 11:33:12 AM UTC
Great One........!
Shekhar Patidar
Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:06:33 PM UTC
I bought a new Dell laptop with windows 8, and have installed W8.1. Something has happened to my keyboard. I can't type anything. I can only use the touch screen keypad. I must have touched something to disable the physical one but can't find what to do. Any suggestions? I had the Microsoft log in page displayed and couldn't get rid of it. I was trying to use the esc button and other buttons but nothing got rid of it. I think that is when I screwed something up with my keyboard. This is a learning process. Not sure if I'll ever like the touch screen. Might send it back. Thank you for any help.
Ginny
Ginny
Saturday, November 09, 2013 7:52:23 PM UTC
Great article, really, really informative and useful. I am an experienced Windows user, but since I installed Win8 some weeks ago, I have been avoiding the metro interface most of the time because it did not make much sense to me. I couldn't even find my way out of full screen apps! (Lucky me, good old Alt+F4 was working as always, but I knew sooner or later, I should find the time to learn how it works and learn at least a couple things...

So, I am very happy that I found this page/video. I've learnt a ton of things in a short amount of time. Thank you, this information really makes a difference, and the video is professionally clear and to the point. All in all, excellent!! Have a nice day!
Carlos
Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:31:15 AM UTC
Sorry to cut through your enthusiasm here but that UI popping with the progress and whole visual info when doing simple file operations like copying/deleting is a show stopper for me. I almost fell off my chair when deleting few simple files triggered that informative UI for me and when dealing with large sizes it had to always first calculate something for me.well done dev team.
I still use xcopy, robocopy from the prompt, talk about power usage.
The other points about improvements in task manager and hotkeys are welcomed. But with an exception I do not quite get the author's admiration for the win+# number 0...items in the taskbar . He confesses to be a power user , keyboard lover and owner of large monitor , with long taskbar I presume and rich in items because more is more. So in case I have 15, 20 or 30 dear programs pinned at that edge, tiny as we power users don't use fingers across the screen or arrows, but fingers across keyboard, he assumes I would fall in love with the ability to launch them say win+13(13 counts still,doesn't it?) to launch say VLC. Way to train your brain. Win+R remains the cornerstone in power usage you should pray MS does not remove it in the future. And there is Launchy thyt program does for the desktop what start screen does for the metro. Then we are back discussing start screen which I bet it's down right better to launch that VLC.
innn
Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:56:30 PM UTC
Just wanna say thanks, some useful tips here.
Upquark
Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:53:56 AM UTC
Your guide has proved invaluable to me; I've used it for training sessions for my staff, students, and family!

Will you be doing an 8.1 update?

Thank you!
JC
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