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Doc/Literal/Bare in XML Web Services - my thoughts on all this.

July 02, 2004 Comment on this post [7] Posted in Web Services | XML
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Apparently Craig Andera and Tim Ewald were recently working on an MSDN code rewrite and were talking about building doc/literal/bare Web Services vs. doc/literal/wrapped.

I'm a little confused by their respective posts, as they appear to say too different things.  (Coming up on Fox, When Smart People Disagree!) They were both in the same house, coding the same stuff, but Craig's conclusion about how to use SoapParameterStyle.Bare is very different than Tim's (and mine).

Tim suggests that getting an AddResponse type "for free" when writing code like this:

//SDH: This is bad, avoid it
[WebMethod]
[return: XmlElement("sum")]
public int Add(int x, int y) { return x + y; }

is lame, and I agree.  The generared AddResponse type is totally magic, coming (by magic) from the Method name, which is a little too tightly-coupled for my tastes.

Instead, your functions should take as parameters and return as reponses formal types that you control.  Then you can use the [SoapDocumentMethod(ParameterStyle = SoapParameterStyle.Bare)] attribute to avoid any extra automagically-added wrapped elements.  This is purely a coding convention, it's not expressed in WSDL. 

//SDH: This is not bad, embrace it.
[WebMethod]
[SoapDocumentMethod(ParameterStyle = SoapParameterStyle.Bare)]
[return: XmlElement("AddResponse")]
public AddResponse Add(AddRequest req)
{
  AddResponse resp = new AddResponse();
  resp = req.x + req.y;
  return resp;
}

Tim's right on with this.  We do the same thing at Corillian with our code-generation stuff (maybe I'll present on it sometime.)  You can reuse the Request and Response messages this way, as well as take and return base classes.

However, Craig had a different view.  He simply added the bare attribute to the method call:

//SDH: This is bad, think twice
[WebMethod]
[SoapDocumentMethod(ParameterStyle=SoapParameterStyle.Bare)]
public int Add(int x, int y) { return x + y; }

which results in

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<soap:Envelope xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
        xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"
        xmlns:soap="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/">
  <soap:Body>
    <x xmlns="http://tempuri.org/">int</x>
    <y xmlns="http://tempuri.org/">int</y>
  </soap:Body>
</soap:Envelope>

Which is a non-WS-I Basic Profile compliant Web Service, as it has more than one child node under <soap:Body>.  Craig muses "To me, this just seems like nicer XML; more like how I would do it if I were just using XmlWriter and raw sockets."  I totally disagree with that statement, as XML Web Services are decidedly NOT about that level of abstraction.  If you like talking with XmlWriter and raw sockets, why not yank the <soap:envelope> and those pesky namespaces? ;) If so, there's already a spec for you

Additionally this places even more pressure on the HTTP SOAPAction header, which was always a bad idea.  Fundamentally (at least in my World View) SOAP messages should be transport neutral and that's what wsa:Action is for.

So, conclusion?  Be explicit.  Use Request and Response messages as ins and outs for your Web Services, call them out and use SoapParameterStyle.Bare to avoid the extra wrapping element.  Tim's list of reasons why is excellent.

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If ever there was a goodness...the iTunes Album Art Importer for Windows, written in .NET 1.1

July 01, 2004 Comment on this post [4] Posted in Web Services
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Thank you YVG Software Services as you have saved me time.  The way to a programmer's heart is by saving him/her time.  You wrote the iTunes Art Importer, and it was your FIRST VB.NET Application.  It uses the Amazon.com Web Service to find Album Covers for my iTunes collection - and it just works.  Kudos to you, and God bless you. :)  And thank you iTunes for having a COM Automation interface.  Ain't that something, a little .NET, a little Web Services, a little OLE Automation and a hard problem is solved n times.

(See their importer, there below iTunes itself?  Shiny, eh? I've set it off to find art for 4700+ songs.  A few hundred in, and I've got a 90% hit rate.)

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Mono 1.0 was just released

July 01, 2004 Comment on this post [2] Posted in ASP.NET | DasBlog | Bugs
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Congrats to all! Anyone out there running their dasBlog on Mono?

Mono is a comprehensive open source development platform based on the .NET framework that allows IT and ISV developers to build Linux and cross-platform applications with unprecedented productivity.

Mono's .NET implementation is based on the ECMA standards for C# and the Common Language InfrastructureMono includes a compiler for the C# language, an ECMA-compatible runtime engine (the Common Language Runtime, or CLR),and class libraries. The libraries include Microsoft .NET compatibility libraries (including ADO.NET and ASP.NET), Mono's own and third party class libraries. Mono's runtime can be embedded into applications for simplified packaging and shipping. In addition, the Mono project offers an IDE, debugger, and documentation browser.

If you have questions about the project, read the project launch statement or visit our list of Frequently Asked QuestionsFor details on the project's future direction, read the roadmap, and download Mono 1.0.

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Visual Studio Express 2005 - C# Edition - will upgrade your ASP.NET to 2.0 without asking...Fix here...

July 01, 2004 Comment on this post [7] Posted in Web Services | ASP.NET
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Even though it is called the Visual C# 2005 Express Edition and they explicitly point you to the Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition for web site development, the Visual C# 2005 Express Edition (and no doubt others) will still upgrade your ALL YOUR ASP.NET VDIRS to version 2.0.40607.0 without asking.

You can go your %windir%\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322 directory and run:

ASPNET_REGIIS -r

to replace the ScriptMaps with ASP.NET 1.1, and you're back in business.

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CRASH WARNING: SnapStream Beyond TV doesn't work at ALL with .NET Framework 2.0 BETA, fix here.

June 30, 2004 Comment on this post [5] Posted in XML
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Today's warning to the PVR user, SnapStream's Beyond TV doesn't work at ALL with .NET Framework 2.0 BETA.  It's a 1.1 app, and .NET 2.0 is automatically being used when it loads and it crashes stupendously.  Since I have .NET 1.1 on my box, I'm surprised it automatically used the newer Framework.  I need to refresh myself on the rules.

To fix it, add files

  • WTLPVSApp.exe.config
  • PVSGuideUpdaterService.exe.config
  • PVSLogService.exe.config
  • SSBatchProcessorService.exe.config

and to each add these lines:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<configuration>
  <startup>
    <supportedRuntime version="v1.1.4322" />
  </startup>
</configuration>

NOTE: This fix (with the appropriate my.exe.config) will likely fix other apps that may start acting strange after you install Visual Studio.NET Express or the Community Edition.

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