Scott Hanselman

Mix 08 Sessions available in new dual-stream versions using Silverlight

May 16, 2008 Comment on this post [21] Posted in ASP.NET | ASP.NET MVC | Mix | Screencasts | Silverlight | Speaking
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I posted the month before last that the Mix08 Sessions, mine included, were up and available at I posted links to the MP4, WMVs and other downloaded versions at the time as well. The Silverlight versions were the same versions, so there wasn't really a compelling reason to use Silverlight.

What I didn't know, however, is that they (the powers that be) not only recorded the slides and demos, but also had cameras going at the same time. They did some post processing (on hundreds of sessions) and those new "dual stream" sessions are up and available online in Silverlight. One stream is a camera on me, and one is the slides and demos.

I'm fairly physical, so I really prefer my talks if you can see me. If you haven't seen the MVC talk before, you might enjoy watching this new version. You can see a screenshot below. If you click the screenshot you'll go directly to the site.


UPDATE: It looks like the servers are having trouble keeping up, but they're working on it. For now, don't select a chapter or you might be in for a wait. If the streams start, for now you'll just have to watch it straight through until they've fixed it. It's working well for me if you just let it play.

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May 16, 2008 11:04
it would be nice if they can make wmv version from dual streaming silverlight version available to download...
May 16, 2008 13:51
Silverlight is really starting to piss me off, 'cause I need to switch to different browser to view anything silverlight-enabled. Do you maybe have some information when will be Silverlight plugin for Opera released?
May 16, 2008 14:22
"On your right you will see a deck on ASP.NET MVC. On your left you will see our shepherd, the messiah, the anointed one. All who snuggle in those arms will feel the warmth of regular (non-RTM "No! We're never telling you when it will be released!") CodePlex updates."

Sorry Scott. Your pose in that still made me do it. ;)
May 16, 2008 15:37
"not for everyone"

That is the perfect excuse for not adopting it. How about throwing out that line.

ie. I never saw any marketing for Webforms that said 'not for everyone' It was more like 'this is the best thing ever and you can't be without out...'

c'mon, don't undersell the MVC :)
May 16, 2008 17:30
For some reason i cant get past 8.51 in the video. I have tried reinstalling silverlight but the video just keep freezing at that point.
May 16, 2008 17:36
Nice shirt Scott!
May 16, 2008 17:39

MS don't need to sell MVC and they are right not to. Those who want it, already know they want it. For them, it's like being given a pint of cold continental lager, after spending years in the desert flaying themselves with a piece of rusty barbed wire. No more do they need to cower at the feet of another ALT.NET blog post telling them that "...documentation is coming soon, in the meantime TDD and StructureMap your Windsor before NHibernating all over your NUniting-HTTP". Now ALT.NET can stick it in their pipe and JQuery it.

Anybody with a lot already invested in ASP.NET *Classic* will not want to see Hanselman and Co. saying "ASP.NET MVC is the nuts. It's much better than ASP.NET and if you don't use it, you are so a Mort.". That would alienate the development community that has spent years getting to grips the the postback model and putting Page.DataBind() in every event handler they can find until the page works. Not to mention the fact that it would tick off all the companies that have a bunch invested in ASP.NET classic.

Of course, their is also the minor point that Scott is telling the truth. It is a choice and there are times when it is better to use one over the other. Oh and another thing. The MVC code is still pre-raphaelite (just past CTP) so they shouldn't sell it too much yet as they might get bored and start working on ASP.NET HAL 9000.
May 16, 2008 21:04

yeah, me too.
I'm also looking forward for Opera support, I mean come on, it really is the best browser for your daily surfing.
May 16, 2008 21:48

*Tongue in cheek mode on*
If Opera is not working on the site you are it really the best browser for your daily surfing?
*Tongue in cheek mode off*
May 16, 2008 22:37
I undesrtand MS is trying to promote Silverlight, but I don't like they are doing it by not providing an alternative (i.e. downloadable content), at the cost of locking out some of the people (at least me) interested in what they are offering. That's not how the web should be. Silverlight should be about providing richer experience, not exclusive content.
May 16, 2008 22:44

There are alternate formats available, there are links in top of Scott's post to those downloads.
May 16, 2008 23:17
@Andreas - We updated the files. Try again?

@alberto - Yes, there's downloads for iPod, Zune, etc.

@pete and @cruster - I'm looking into Opera support. I'll report back soon.
May 17, 2008 1:02
Hey Scott,

I agree with Steve, it makes it very hard to sell management on adopting the MVC technology when Microsoft is saying its "Not for everyone".

Having more choices is great, but should we consider an untestable framework (WebForms) a viable choice for new web projects going forward?

May 17, 2008 1:18
Josh - That's a valid point. I test my WebForms stuff using WATIN but WebForms not being easily Unit Testable is a problem that we're pushing to get fixed.
May 17, 2008 2:15
Great presentation!!

PS : I would really love Opera support for Silverlight too. It was promised back then when Silverlight 1.0 was launched.
May 17, 2008 12:02
+ 1 for Opera Silverlight support, please keep us posted on any progress there Scott

That would make an all singing & dancing Media Center on the Wii one step closer :-)
May 17, 2008 18:23
@Ryan and @Scott. I know, but it's not the same content you are talking about in the post. Maybe it's not totally correct to say that it is locking people out, but they are providing premium content just to Silverlight users.
May 17, 2008 22:14
@alberto - Sure, just as Flash provides premium content to folks who run Flash. How is this different?
May 18, 2008 12:30
There is a difference (not that I support it, but it's there). Flash Player is already present in 97% of browsers, IIRC, Silverlight is not.

Anyway, either using Flash or Silverlight (or javascript/AJAX), you should try to provide the best possible alternative for your users. That's what accessibility is about.
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May 22, 2008 17:27
Opera Silverlight++

I really hope you do come back with some news on that Scott.
I know it's rather of topic, but I can't get rid of the feeling that ever since Opera sued IE the silverlight4OP dev has been put on hold.

I really want to dig into the whole silverlight stuff, but as long as it's alienating most browsers, I don't think it makes much sence to invest any time in it.

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